Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:58
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I agree 100%! When the “too old for the grade kid” is a high flyer, they think of course he is doing well-because he should be in the next grade! Nothing to admire there and it robs the top old kid of a real sense of accomplishment.
A fourth-grader who started kindergarten "on time" has spent four years in school. In contrast, a fourth-grader who started kindergarten one year later than "on time" has spent four years in school. Whereas a fourth-grader who started kindergarten one year earlier than"on time" has spent four years in school.
In other words, all fourth-graders (except those who repeated a grade) have spent exactly the same amount of time in school, regardless of their age. So unless you think that a 10-year-old fourth-grader by definition has more academic knowledge than an 9-year-old fourth grader, it's irrelevant.
The OP wanted to know how red shirting is perceived. This is my experience with it-if it is done for "gaming the system" reasons vs actual issue, other kids think it's odd and humorous. It is first becomes highlighted at birthday parties, then puberty, and driving licenses to name a few. This choice has social repercussions. OP asked and I'm sharing.
I understand what you're saying but you're discounting life experience, parent involvement during that year at home, and maturity, just to name a few things. Go back and read all the pro-redshirting posts for more reasons!
Sooner or later, the law will get fixed to stop the gaming. Sadly, that will end up making it harder for the people who need it, to use it. I bet when the law was written, people could not envision parents holding their kids back so they wouldn't be the youngest in their class/so they could outshine the younger kids. Seriously, who could've seen that coming?? Lol
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:49
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it's cheating because its something only UMC people can afford to do. Think the working class can afford another year of daycare to hold Larla back from Kindergarten? Nope.
Just like tutoring, language classes, private schools, and piano lessons
Exactly. That's why the anti-redshirt people on DCUM are such raging hypocrites. Also add buying houses in expensive districts, attending any charters whatsoever, and leaving their inbound school for middle school to the list. Those last have far more impact on the education gap than redshirting yet somehow I don't think DCUMs resident anti-redshirt hypocrites are willing to practice what they angrily preach and demand that others do.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:38
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course it is NOT cheating!!!! OMG people! It’s allowed by law! If redshirting is cheating, so is tutoring, enrichment classes, trips to Europe, learning another language, etc. Not everyone can afford it and it will put some kids at an advantage point.
Maybe we should all try to time our births so that all kids are born in February and are not older or younger.
I have two kids one August 27th (redshirted) and one October 22nd. They are both among the oldest in their classes and doing great.
Obviously!
Obviously what? That I am a good parent for making sure that my kids are doing great in school?
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:37
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:I think it's cheating because its something only UMC people can afford to do. Think the working class can afford another year of daycare to hold Larla back from Kindergarten? Nope.
Just like tutoring, language classes, private schools, and piano lessons
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:32
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Of course it is NOT cheating!!!! OMG people! It’s allowed by law! If redshirting is cheating, so is tutoring, enrichment classes, trips to Europe, learning another language, etc. Not everyone can afford it and it will put some kids at an advantage point.
Maybe we should all try to time our births so that all kids are born in February and are not older or younger.
I have two kids one August 27th (redshirted) and one October 22nd. They are both among the oldest in their classes and doing great.
Obviously!
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:32
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
I think it's cheating because its something only UMC people can afford to do. Think the working class can afford another year of daycare to hold Larla back from Kindergarten? Nope.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:30
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When your child is that close to the line, they will fit in with either cohort.
There are days when I wish we had fought to send our October kid early (born to be oldest, considered making him youngest); on balance, it was the right decision to go on time.
Considering OP's child and mine are days on either side of the cut off, it's the same thing on the opposite end (OP's kid is born to be youngest, they are considering making him oldest), and the point is that the child will fit in with either cohort -- do what feels right for your child and your family.
Truth! Most kids who are redshirted will just be days behind other students. Are these Oct. students dumb, bored and disruptive (as anti redshirts have claimed on this thread)? No. We have an Oct. child and a Sept. child. It just seemed unnecessary to send the Sept. kid early. And based on our experience with our OCt. kid it definitely seemed like pushing ahead, not delaying. A few posters on here commented about a wasted year, but my kids learned SO much socially and emotionally in that year that transferred to elementary. It REALLY prepared her. Definitely NOT a waste (or delay) in any sense. It was expensive though, and not for everyone.
Another anti-redshirt comment that always gets me from having an Oct. kid is that the kid will get a false sense of accomplishment. In what reality does age solely corrolate to accomplishment on EVERYTHING?! My kids SUCK at sports, and are with other fall birthdays and spring kids too, as the older ones. They are usually just average if not below. Just not natural for them, But they work hard at it. Imagine if they were with kids a full year ahead, they would probably give up in frustration because the goal would be so unattainable. It could be like that for a younger child in school (or any aged child that struggles).
I'm sure she really did learn a lot in that year. I mean, if she didn't learn something in what is about 20% of her life experience, that would be so weird, don't you think? You just don't know what she could have learned in the more challenging grade. Maybe more!
How can you say it was not a delay? They will graduate from HS and college a year later than they would have. Thats a delay, right?
Because the deadline is totally random! So is my Oct. kid delayed?? Are September kids in 40+ states delayed? Are all fall birthday kids delayed because the deadline was December until 10 years ago? No. And delayed from what? To start work? How about if they take a gap year, or if that young kid ended up being retained. You have NO idea what will happen in the future.
Delayed from beginning school. Gap year etc in no way related. You delay them from entering school for a year. I have no idea about anything related to your October child. If they were legally of age to go to school and you delayed them a year yes, they were delayed. If they went when eligible their education was not delayed. This isn’t meant to be a judgment.
The more I say delay the less it seems to mean
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:25
Subject: Re:Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Very few kids who are redshirted are a year older when they start school. Most are those on the cusp. Give it a rest.
Oh man. If they start school in sept 2018 vs sept 2019 they are all a year older. I’m a parent and I learn a lot in a year, presumably the redshirted children who are now 6 instead of 5 did too?
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:24
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When your child is that close to the line, they will fit in with either cohort.
There are days when I wish we had fought to send our October kid early (born to be oldest, considered making him youngest); on balance, it was the right decision to go on time.
Considering OP's child and mine are days on either side of the cut off, it's the same thing on the opposite end (OP's kid is born to be youngest, they are considering making him oldest), and the point is that the child will fit in with either cohort -- do what feels right for your child and your family.
Truth! Most kids who are redshirted will just be days behind other students. Are these Oct. students dumb, bored and disruptive (as anti redshirts have claimed on this thread)? No. We have an Oct. child and a Sept. child. It just seemed unnecessary to send the Sept. kid early. And based on our experience with our OCt. kid it definitely seemed like pushing ahead, not delaying. A few posters on here commented about a wasted year, but my kids learned SO much socially and emotionally in that year that transferred to elementary. It REALLY prepared her. Definitely NOT a waste (or delay) in any sense. It was expensive though, and not for everyone.
Another anti-redshirt comment that always gets me from having an Oct. kid is that the kid will get a false sense of accomplishment. In what reality does age solely corrolate to accomplishment on EVERYTHING?! My kids SUCK at sports, and are with other fall birthdays and spring kids too, as the older ones. They are usually just average if not below. Just not natural for them, But they work hard at it. Imagine if they were with kids a full year ahead, they would probably give up in frustration because the goal would be so unattainable. It could be like that for a younger child in school (or any aged child that struggles).
I'm sure she really did learn a lot in that year. I mean, if she didn't learn something in what is about 20% of her life experience, that would be so weird, don't you think? You just don't know what she could have learned in the more challenging grade. Maybe more!
How can you say it was not a delay? They will graduate from HS and college a year later than they would have. Thats a delay, right?
Because the deadline is totally random! So is my Oct. kid delayed?? Are September kids in 40+ states delayed? Are all fall birthday kids delayed because the deadline was December until 10 years ago? No. And delayed from what? To start work? How about if they take a gap year, or if that young kid ended up being retained. You have NO idea what will happen in the future.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:23
Subject: Re:Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Very few kids who are redshirted are a year older when they start school. Most are those on the cusp. Give it a rest.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 16:06
Subject: Re:Do you consider redshirting cheating?
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Here’s the thing. The wealth gap is bigger than ever. The achievement gap is bigger than ever. I have a lot of acquaintances and friends who openly state that they did read short for the advantage to their neurotypical child. With hardly any low income families redshirting what are we actually saying here? Do you think wealthy children of well educated parents are less bright? I dont. I think the statistics are moving quickly up because obviously there is an advantage. Now, as a general rule it’s normal and right of people to ave opinions about things that can or may impact them.
I do not think that the growing gaps between rich and poor are good for our country. If you can truly look at the stats and still make this just about “your” slower/smaller/whatever child, rather than noticing the systemic trends in redshirting, okay. I couldn’t.
Here’s the thing. The wealth gap is bigger than ever. The achievement gap is bigger than ever. I have a lot of acquaintances and friends who openly state that they did read short for the advantage to their neurotypical child. With hardly any low income families redshirting what are we actually saying here? Do you think wealthy children of well educated parents are less bright? I dont. I think the statistics are moving quickly up because obviously there is an advantage. Now, as a general rule it’s normal and right of people to ave opinions about things that can or may impact them.
I do not think that the growing gaps between rich and poor are good for our country. If you can truly look at the stats and still make this just about “your” slower/smaller/whatever child, rather than noticing the systemic trends in redshirting, okay. I couldn’t.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:53
Subject: Re:Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Only three times the median family income years ago? Bully for you.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:48
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I guess? It would be very odd were you to excoriate parents who sent their children on time in accordance with their local laws.
It's also odd to excoriate parents who send their children with a one-year delay in accordance with their local laws, and yet here we are.
Yes, we should all love each of our current laws and never work to change them when they become outdated in statistically significant numbers.
Look, its a question about redshirting. Would I ever "excoriate" a friend or fellow parent for doing this? No way, I don't care that much. I have no problem sharing my opinion on a forum when asked.
Given your responses here, it's clear you are lying when you claim you don't care much. Yet you almost certainly do almost nothing to change those issues you supposedly car about. Like most anti-redshirt posters on DCUM, a total hypocrite. Quelle surprise.
Yes, nothing hypocritical at all in a bunch of rich people getting all outraged when they are told that their decisions have repercussions.
We held DD back and our HHI was around 80k at the time.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:32
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Of course it is NOT cheating!!!! OMG people! It’s allowed by law! If redshirting is cheating, so is tutoring, enrichment classes, trips to Europe, learning another language, etc. Not everyone can afford it and it will put some kids at an advantage point.
Maybe we should all try to time our births so that all kids are born in February and are not older or younger.
I have two kids one August 27th (redshirted) and one October 22nd. They are both among the oldest in their classes and doing great.
Maybe we should all try to time our births so that all kids are born in February and are not older or younger.
I have two kids one August 27th (redshirted) and one October 22nd. They are both among the oldest in their classes and doing great.
Anonymous
01/25/2018 15:32
Subject: Do you consider redshirting cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Thanks, I guess? It would be very odd were you to excoriate parents who sent their children on time in accordance with their local laws.
It's also odd to excoriate parents who send their children with a one-year delay in accordance with their local laws, and yet here we are.
Yes, we should all love each of our current laws and never work to change them when they become outdated in statistically significant numbers.
Look, its a question about redshirting. Would I ever "excoriate" a friend or fellow parent for doing this? No way, I don't care that much. I have no problem sharing my opinion on a forum when asked.
Given your responses here, it's clear you are lying when you claim you don't care much. Yet you almost certainly do almost nothing to change those issues you supposedly car about. Like most anti-redshirt posters on DCUM, a total hypocrite. Quelle surprise.
For any given subject, we are not allowed to have opinions, mild or strong, unless we also do something significant to bring about change?
Sorry, I think you'll be quite disappointed in me. I have lots of opinions but only do a moderate amount to bring change.