Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 20:44     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So on DCUM I have learned about granny from another country getting section 8 and SSI-I already knew about the medicare and subsidies. Now I see marketplace therefore subsidies are available to massive categories of non citizens including those here on student visas, HB1, HB2, and more at:
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/immigration-status/


Putting more paying people into the risk pool makes sense, no? Seems like sound policy.


and limiting the number of immigrants, yes?


Great to expand the risk pool but what about their subsidies? Who pays? Me. Just like my tax dollars support medicare for granny from another country living in their DS's 1.5m home.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 19:58     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
"Those numbers increase for households with children, with 76% of immigrant-led households receiving welfare, compared to 52% for the native-born."

Wow! And this is the problem with chain-migration. We don't get the best and brightest. We get other countries' welfare recipients.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 19:56     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Whatever the % of immigrants are on one or another form of "welfare" may be, it's a tiny % compared to the proportion of red-state residents that are one hundred percent dependent on all the rural welfare that people in the productive regions of the country pay for. And the rural welfare recipients use their unearned bounty to join the American Nazi groups and acquire weapons. It's the rural areas that give rise to the various opioid crises that are trickling into useful parts of the country. The greatest dangers that the country faces are from those welfare recipients, not immigrants.

This is convoluted liberal logic. Just because we have a costly (and fairly recent)!opioid problem in red states - I notice you didn't mention the large percentage of inner-city welfare recipients in blue regions, btw, which has been a problem for generations - we should accept the high cost to this country brought about by people who entered illegally?


+1 The PP has an agenda.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 19:55     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:Whatever the % of immigrants are on one or another form of "welfare" may be, it's a tiny % compared to the proportion of red-state residents that are one hundred percent dependent on all the rural welfare that people in the productive regions of the country pay for. And the rural welfare recipients use their unearned bounty to join the American Nazi groups and acquire weapons. It's the rural areas that give rise to the various opioid crises that are trickling into useful parts of the country. The greatest dangers that the country faces are from those welfare recipients, not immigrants.


YOU are off the rails.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 19:45     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:Whatever the % of immigrants are on one or another form of "welfare" may be, it's a tiny % compared to the proportion of red-state residents that are one hundred percent dependent on all the rural welfare that people in the productive regions of the country pay for. And the rural welfare recipients use their unearned bounty to join the American Nazi groups and acquire weapons. It's the rural areas that give rise to the various opioid crises that are trickling into useful parts of the country. The greatest dangers that the country faces are from those welfare recipients, not immigrants.

This is convoluted liberal logic. Just because we have a costly (and fairly recent)!opioid problem in red states - I notice you didn't mention the large percentage of inner-city welfare recipients in blue regions, btw, which has been a problem for generations - we should accept the high cost to this country brought about by people who entered illegally?
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 19:37     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Whatever the % of immigrants are on one or another form of "welfare" may be, it's a tiny % compared to the proportion of red-state residents that are one hundred percent dependent on all the rural welfare that people in the productive regions of the country pay for. And the rural welfare recipients use their unearned bounty to join the American Nazi groups and acquire weapons. It's the rural areas that give rise to the various opioid crises that are trickling into useful parts of the country. The greatest dangers that the country faces are from those welfare recipients, not immigrants.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 18:47     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So on DCUM I have learned about granny from another country getting section 8 and SSI-I already knew about the medicare and subsidies. Now I see marketplace therefore subsidies are available to massive categories of non citizens including those here on student visas, HB1, HB2, and more at:
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/immigration-status/


Putting more paying people into the risk pool makes sense, no? Seems like sound policy.


and limiting the number of immigrants, yes?
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 18:46     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:So on DCUM I have learned about granny from another country getting section 8 and SSI-I already knew about the medicare and subsidies. Now I see marketplace therefore subsidies are available to massive categories of non citizens including those here on student visas, HB1, HB2, and more at:
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/immigration-status/


Putting more paying people into the risk pool makes sense, no? Seems like sound policy.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 18:43     Subject: Re:50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am scared to DEATH right now. I had some weird flashing in my eye, and when I looked it up, it said it could be a retinal detachment. Problem is, my Obamacare plan has no retinologists, so I will have to go to an ophthalmologist - who cannot do the repair surgery. If it IS a detachment, I will have to pay for the surgery out of pocket, and it will be a FORTUNE. I am really, really worried. The flashing stopped, but I will call a retinologist tomorrow and just pay out of pocket to see him. If it's a detachment, I am SCREWED. I will be paying off the surgery for at least five years.

I looked up some retinologists, and while none took Obamacare, they did take Medicaid and Medicare. That means that poor people, covered under Medicaid, can get necessary surgeries that middle-class people with Obamacare policies cannot. And we are paying a fortune for these policies, while our taxes pay for the poor people on Medicaid. Same with the foreigners taking advantage of the Medicare program. They too can get this surgery covered.

Seems the only people who cannot get medical treatment they need are the middle-class people on Obamacare, paying taxes.


You chose your plan, they are not all the same. More importantly, You may be having a migraine. A family member of mine had weird flashing in the eyes and it ended up being caused by migraines. You might want to see an actual doctor, instead of Dr. Google before reaching a diagnosis, much less whether your plan will cover it.

All of these plans are missing specialists. How is a person supposed to figure out which specialist they might need in advance? There are so many possible conditions one could get.

But that's a good idea about seeing my general doctor first. The only thing is....I thought migraines were excruciating. Other than the weird flashing, I had no pain and no headache.

Anyway, first thing tomorrow I'm calling my primary care doctor.


You should look at CareFirst BC/BS plans. We have never had issues finding specialists with our individual plans with them.

Thank you, but my part of the county does not have it available. That's another problem with Obamare. The choices have become so limited, and I only had a choice of two insurers.


The same people only have one choice of grocery store. Geography matters.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 18:40     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
So on DCUM I have learned about granny from another country getting section 8 and SSI-I already knew about the medicare and subsidies. Now I see marketplace therefore subsidies are available to massive categories of non citizens including those here on student visas, HB1, HB2, and more at:
https://www.healthcare.gov/immigrants/immigration-status/
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 18:22     Subject: Re:50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something like 40% of U.S. citizens do not pay income tax. That's just another form of welfare. They are enjoying benefits without making a contribution.

It's actually around 47% or 48%. Liberals will point out that the low earners pay into the SS system, and will call it a "tax," but it's really a contribution to a retirement annuity. You are correct hat nearly half of all Americans enjoy the services and programs of the federal government without paying in one cent.


The overwhelming majority of those 47% are working, either a full time low wage job or multiple part time jobs. They don't pay income tax because they are barely paid enough to live on.

But the bigger issue is that essentially we taxpayers are subsidizing these low earners' employers by giving the employees a break on their taxes in lieu of the salaries they should be getting paid by the employers.

Ultimately it's corporate welfare.

Start paying living wages and happy to start cutting back on those programs having the employees kick in more in taxes.

Bottom line is, if you are taking 40 hours a week of someone's life to serve you then you have a responsibility to pay them enough to live on.


It also helps to limit the size of your family. Then there's more available money. That's a very hard decision, but one that we made. We realized that we couldn't afford food, clothes, medicine, and housing for more than two kids.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 17:31     Subject: Re:50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something like 40% of U.S. citizens do not pay income tax. That's just another form of welfare. They are enjoying benefits without making a contribution.

It's actually around 47% or 48%. Liberals will point out that the low earners pay into the SS system, and will call it a "tax," but it's really a contribution to a retirement annuity. You are correct hat nearly half of all Americans enjoy the services and programs of the federal government without paying in one cent.


The overwhelming majority of those 47% are working, either a full time low wage job or multiple part time jobs. They don't pay income tax because they are barely paid enough to live on.

But the bigger issue is that essentially we taxpayers are subsidizing these low earners' employers by giving the employees a break on their taxes in lieu of the salaries they should be getting paid by the employers.

Ultimately it's corporate welfare.

Start paying living wages and happy to start cutting back on those programs having the employees kick in more in taxes.

Bottom line is, if you are taking 40 hours a week of someone's life to serve you then you have a responsibility to pay them enough to live on.


Excellent post. But were every American as knowledgeable.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 17:27     Subject: Re:50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something like 40% of U.S. citizens do not pay income tax. That's just another form of welfare. They are enjoying benefits without making a contribution.

It's actually around 47% or 48%. Liberals will point out that the low earners pay into the SS system, and will call it a "tax," but it's really a contribution to a retirement annuity. You are correct hat nearly half of all Americans enjoy the services and programs of the federal government without paying in one cent.


The overwhelming majority of those 47% are working, either a full time low wage job or multiple part time jobs. They don't pay income tax because they are barely paid enough to live on.

But the bigger issue is that essentially we taxpayers are subsidizing these low earners' employers by giving the employees a break on their taxes in lieu of the salaries they should be getting paid by the employers.

Ultimately it's corporate welfare.

Start paying living wages and happy to start cutting back on those programs having the employees kick in more in taxes.

Bottom line is, if you are taking 40 hours a week of someone's life to serve you then you have a responsibility to pay them enough to live on.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 16:18     Subject: 50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My chinese relatives apply for every program they have eligibility for.

Its not uncommon in asian communities to bring your parents over upon retirement and have them apply for benefits. You will see plenty of this on mitbbs and wenxuecity and the like, chinese schools sometimes have seminars on how to apply.


Indians too. All kinds of relatives parents here proudly drawing social security and Medicaid and bragging about it without having paid in a dime bc they lived in India their whole working lives and came to live with their kids when they got their precious IT jobs. Fuckers. Why not change the system - the rest of us need to pay in for 40 quarters but they don’t??


https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v61n4/v61n4p3.pdf All the sponsors should repay including market rates on section 8, Medicaid, medicare claims and premiums, plus SSI. In the US for 5 years they can get medicare and subsidies. Not a Trump and Sessions fan but this is an issue that must be addressed. Note they have been busy getting doctors prescribing opioids -- where the heck was the Obama admin on that? Simple claims tracking and statistics-far easier than informants etc.

"Exceptions to deeming are made in cases in which the spon- sored noncitizen is indigent or when a sponsored noncitizen or his or her child or parent has been battered or subjected to extreme cruelty, If a sponsored noncitizen receives any means- tested public benefits during the deeming period, the sponsor is liable for repayment of the benefits and subject to legal action if benefits are not repayed."



How do we get them to address it though? How has this not hit Trump's radar? I don't know if Indians using Section 8 (bc their parents live in), but they definitely use the medicare/Medicaid and freaking brag about how they can get Social Security without ever having contributed.


IMHO this issue is worth phone calls and letters to all your elected officials. Also note spouses without 40 quarters get free medicare part A with no premium if they have a working spouse who had 40 quarters of contribution. I know of one living person who doesn't have 40 quarters. Upper middle class housewife. In fact I'm old and have 40 quarters plus as did my old and deceased relatives.
Anonymous
Post 01/01/2018 16:05     Subject: Re:50% of all U.S. immigrants on welfare program(s)
Anonymous wrote:Something like 40% of U.S. citizens do not pay income tax. That's just another form of welfare. They are enjoying benefits without making a contribution.

It's actually around 47% or 48%. Liberals will point out that the low earners pay into the SS system, and will call it a "tax," but it's really a contribution to a retirement annuity. You are correct hat nearly half of all Americans enjoy the services and programs of the federal government without paying in one cent.