Anonymous
Post 12/30/2017 10:19     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
If I could do mostly telework, I might for a minute consider moving back to PA.

But the work is still here in DC. There's nothing for me back home. Here in DC I could find another comparable job across the street. Not in PA.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 22:55     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sad to say, but it’s obviously never going to get better. Flyover America has been circling the drain since at least the 70s. Why don’t they have motivation to put their families in a better place to succeed; a place with a dynamic economy and competitive peers? Politicians are so obsessed with new immigrants because they see flyover people as hopeless.


This has probably already been said about a million times, but I would guess they don’t leave because that’s where all their friends and family are. Which is really what makes life worthwhile.


I live in flyover country and this is very true. Good for them but sucks if you didn't grow up there.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 18:49     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Well there are least 12M illegals and 20M+ anchor babies so give up now! The fulcrum of power has already shifted to the net tax recipients.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 18:41     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:Great, so the anti-immigration poster has now hijacked this thread to complain about immigration again.

Huh? There's only ONE person on this forum opposed to illegal immigration?
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 18:39     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Great, so the anti-immigration poster has now hijacked this thread to complain about immigration again.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 17:53     Subject: Re:Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:They don’t even have to move out of flyover country. Utah, Iowa, and both North and South Dakota have extremely LOW unemployment rates. We need people to move out of the high unemployment states and regions where there are limited opportunities, and into places where they can’t get people to even work fast food. Imagine if there was a job training program to teach people from rural Pennsylvania, WV, Ohio, Kentucky, etc. in-demand jobs like dental assisting, nursing/other health care jobs (radiology, physical therapy, pharmacy tech are all big ones), or network/system admin work. Then when they’ve finished their education/training in their home state, the government gives them some block grant amount of money to move somewhere where they really need workers. There could probably even be something where these people are guaranteed a job in their new state/region upon successful completion of the program.

Really these areas need to be depopulated as much as possible. They are unsafe for various reasons (drug crime, lack of police/fire/EMT in rural areas), and a strain on state and local budgets. Get people into economically successful regions and break the cycle of poverty.


Interesting. I wonder if the same people use the UN Human Rights Commission claim that family unity is a human right are advocating separating multi-generational families within the country for economic benefit. Interesting how the end always justifies the means no matter how hypocritical the means are.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 17:15     Subject: Re:Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

I'm from CA and have two family members who were in the military. There are several other folks in coastal areas that have done the same.

The coastal areas develop the technologies that enables you to post on this forum.

CA agriculture supplies a huge percentage of the nation's fruits and vegetables: https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/

"Over a third of the country’s vegetables and two-thirds of the country’s fruits and nuts are grown in California."

More than half of the farm workers in CA are illegal immigrants.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 16:07     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Most people can't afford to live in places where an average house is almost a million dollars.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:25     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.


So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.


Why should I get a job when i get food stamps, welfare checks, public housing, free bus/metro cards, and Gov’t paid smartphone, etc.? Plus I get the same for each of my kids, Mo kids=Mo money, yo.
And if I do get a job, I make sure it doesn’t pay much, or on the books, since I don’t want to lose my benies and freebies. You working suckers!


Yes, why don't you do that. Report back and tell us about all of your new friends and the lives they've led.


Let’s take a field trip to Silver Spring, Wheaton and Ne DC and start there.

Then we’ll camp out at the Social Security Administration offices in those neighborhoods and see what’s poppin’.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:23     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Social workers unfortunately have to combat that attitude and belief all the time: the individual deeply believes they are better off on welfare than improving herself and getting a real job.

Once drugs or crime or kids out of wedlock consistently enter the picture, it is very near hopeless to break the cycle. I hate my job sometimes.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:21     Subject: Re:Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:20     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.


So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.


Why should I get a job when i get food stamps, welfare checks, public housing, free bus/metro cards, and Gov’t paid smartphone, etc.? Plus I get the same for each of my kids, Mo kids=Mo money, yo.
And if I do get a job, I make sure it doesn’t pay much, or on the books, since I don’t want to lose my benies and freebies. You working suckers!


Yes, why don't you do that. Report back and tell us about all of your new friends and the lives they've led.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:17     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.


So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.


Why should I get a job when i get food stamps, welfare checks, public housing, free bus/metro cards, and Gov’t paid smartphone, etc.? Plus I get the same for each of my kids, Mo kids=Mo money, yo.
And if I do get a job, I make sure it doesn’t pay much, or on the books, since I don’t want to lose my benies and freebies. You working suckers!
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:12     Subject: Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.


You mean like Trek, the bike company. Kewl.

Oddly, this passes for a bike route there (in Waterloo)

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1720126,-89.0135295,3a,75y,239.18h,80.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s78r9CW3-amTIDp-9JbYTvg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D78r9CW3-amTIDp-9JbYTvg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D223.84593%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e3

I guess Madison itself is better though.


Kewl. Looks like my peloton route in Nc and summers in eastern Shores!
But don’t fret little east coast millennial- there are many good bike trails in Wisconsin and other states. Start with the old train track routes.

That said, I seriously doubt you have a clipless carbon road bike with dura ace derailers so best to just keep reading social media 24/7 and google maps.
Anonymous
Post 12/29/2017 12:11     Subject: Re:Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?
Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.