Anonymous wrote:Of course OP is a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll. The grammar and punctuation is wrong in places, and the use of the word "myself" at the beginning ("and myself attended") sounds like someone trying to appear educated and upper-class. I can't believe OP is the product of the Ivy League and most likely prep school before that (given 150 years of Ivy-educated ancestors).

The OP does seem really fake to me, and I have basically the same legacy situation as she described. I think the OP is one of the people who tell you about your life if you just give the names of your children: very glib/plausible, but a writer of fiction.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll. The grammar and punctuation is wrong in places, and the use of the word "myself" at the beginning ("and myself attended") sounds like someone trying to appear educated and upper-class. I can't believe OP is the product of the Ivy League and most likely prep school before that (given 150 years of Ivy-educated ancestors).

Anonymous wrote:I think OP is a troll. The grammar and punctuation is wrong in places, and the use of the word "myself" at the beginning ("and myself attended") sounds like someone trying to appear educated and upper-class. I can't believe OP is the product of the Ivy League and most likely prep school before that (given 150 years of Ivy-educated ancestors).

Anonymous wrote:OMG, I've never even heard of such a strange obsession. Everyone (except your weirdo family) takes a different path in life and there is nothing wrong with that. And what are you teaching your child by forcing him to apply at a school that will likely admit him because of his legacy status?

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Anonymous wrote:My argument isn't absurd at all. It's both common sense and consistent with the clear preference that dual admits have for Harvard and Yale over Princeton as well as the greater number of applications that Columbia and several other Ivies also receive. The selective eating clubs are a scourge that reinforce the school's country-club reputation. They'd be long gone but for the older alumni who'd cease to donate if the administration did away with Bicker.

"scourge"??? You must really be bitter about getting hosed back in the day. Given how much fun you seem, you probably would have gotten rejected from whatever selective organization -- finals club, fraternity/sorority, etc -- you would have tried to join if you happened to attend somewhere else. If you had simply signed into Charter, everything could have worked out fine.

Plus, even if you were right that Princeton is somehow falling behind its peers, it is quite a stretch to say that Princeton's demise is the result of selective eating clubs.

Not bitter at all - after visiting Cottage and Ivy just a few times, I was sure that they weren't clubs that would welcome me as a member, and the feeling was mutual. That doesn't change the fact that the selective eating clubs are anachronisms that discourage many bright students from applying to Princeton or from accepting admissions offers. Just about every recent president would have liked to disband them, but the resistance from some alumni is too strong. It doesn't mean Princeton isn't a good university, but when I later visited Yale - to which I had not applied - it was striking how much more open it felt in comparison. If OP's kid has picked up on this, it's no surprise he isn't anxious to bleed orange and black.

I felt no more at home at Cottage and Ivy than you did. I just didn't let their presence on campus detract from my enjoyment of (a) my eating club and (b) the university altogether.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion. But, it is very much a minority opinion. The alumni -- which include recent alumni -- overwhelming view the eating clubs as a positive aspect of campus life. Those that don't want to join one of the selective eating clubs simply join one of the many others that have the same beautiful building, the same (and often better) food, and the same parties and other social events.

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Anonymous wrote:My argument isn't absurd at all. It's both common sense and consistent with the clear preference that dual admits have for Harvard and Yale over Princeton as well as the greater number of applications that Columbia and several other Ivies also receive. The selective eating clubs are a scourge that reinforce the school's country-club reputation. They'd be long gone but for the older alumni who'd cease to donate if the administration did away with Bicker.

"scourge"??? You must really be bitter about getting hosed back in the day. Given how much fun you seem, you probably would have gotten rejected from whatever selective organization -- finals club, fraternity/sorority, etc -- you would have tried to join if you happened to attend somewhere else. If you had simply signed into Charter, everything could have worked out fine.

Plus, even if you were right that Princeton is somehow falling behind its peers, it is quite a stretch to say that Princeton's demise is the result of selective eating clubs.

Not bitter at all - after visiting Cottage and Ivy just a few times, I was sure that they weren't clubs that would welcome me as a member, and the feeling was mutual. That doesn't change the fact that the selective eating clubs are anachronisms that discourage many bright students from applying to Princeton or from accepting admissions offers. Just about every recent president would have liked to disband them, but the resistance from some alumni is too strong. It doesn't mean Princeton isn't a good university, but when I later visited Yale - to which I had not applied - it was striking how much more open it felt in comparison. If OP's kid has picked up on this, it's no surprise he isn't anxious to bleed orange and black.

I don't see how you can hate from outside of the club. You can't even get in.

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Anonymous wrote:My argument isn't absurd at all. It's both common sense and consistent with the clear preference that dual admits have for Harvard and Yale over Princeton as well as the greater number of applications that Columbia and several other Ivies also receive. The selective eating clubs are a scourge that reinforce the school's country-club reputation. They'd be long gone but for the older alumni who'd cease to donate if the administration did away with Bicker.

"scourge"??? You must really be bitter about getting hosed back in the day. Given how much fun you seem, you probably would have gotten rejected from whatever selective organization -- finals club, fraternity/sorority, etc -- you would have tried to join if you happened to attend somewhere else. If you had simply signed into Charter, everything could have worked out fine.

Plus, even if you were right that Princeton is somehow falling behind its peers, it is quite a stretch to say that Princeton's demise is the result of selective eating clubs.

Not bitter at all - after visiting Cottage and Ivy just a few times, I was sure that they weren't clubs that would welcome me as a member, and the feeling was mutual. That doesn't change the fact that the selective eating clubs are anachronisms that discourage many bright students from applying to Princeton or from accepting admissions offers. Just about every recent president would have liked to disband them, but the resistance from some alumni is too strong. It doesn't mean Princeton isn't a good university, but when I later visited Yale - to which I had not applied - it was striking how much more open it felt in comparison. If OP's kid has picked up on this, it's no surprise he isn't anxious to bleed orange and black.

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Anonymous wrote:My argument isn't absurd at all. It's both common sense and consistent with the clear preference that dual admits have for Harvard and Yale over Princeton as well as the greater number of applications that Columbia and several other Ivies also receive. The selective eating clubs are a scourge that reinforce the school's country-club reputation. They'd be long gone but for the older alumni who'd cease to donate if the administration did away with Bicker.

"scourge"??? You must really be bitter about getting hosed back in the day. Given how much fun you seem, you probably would have gotten rejected from whatever selective organization -- finals club, fraternity/sorority, etc -- you would have tried to join if you happened to attend somewhere else. If you had simply signed into Charter, everything could have worked out fine.

Plus, even if you were right that Princeton is somehow falling behind its peers, it is quite a stretch to say that Princeton's demise is the result of selective eating clubs.

Not bitter at all - after visiting Cottage and Ivy just a few times, I was sure that they weren't clubs that would welcome me as a member, and the feeling was mutual. That doesn't change the fact that the selective eating clubs are anachronisms that discourage many bright students from applying to Princeton or from accepting admissions offers. Just about every recent president would have liked to disband them, but the resistance from some alumni is too strong. It doesn't mean Princeton isn't a good university, but when I later visited Yale - to which I had not applied - it was striking how much more open it felt in comparison. If OP's kid has picked up on this, it's no surprise he isn't anxious to bleed orange and black.