Anonymous wrote:If you believe that FCPS or another VA school system has experienced "reduced quality of public education due to the illegal situation" (as someone commented on in another thread), can you please provide some stats to factually illustrate how big of an issue this really is? I have not been able to find any information to support this claim.

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1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who deny that being in school with poor kids from uneducated families, my personal experience (from 40+ years ago) reveals the truth:

My parents lived in a nice middle-class area, and I was sent to the assigned school. We had "tracking" (the gifted program), and I was in the top track from grade 1 through grade 4. I was challenged and loved school.

Then they re-drew the district line, and my house "missed" the nice middle class school by one block. I was diverted to the poorer school, despite my parents trying to fight it (I didn't understand why at the time), and transferred to the poor school (kids with uneducated parents) in fifth grade. They were learning the math that I had mastered in 2nd grade! They were reading books that I read at age 7! Then it was on to the poor junior high school. These kids were not academic (to put it mildly) and bullied the "smart" kids who took their studies seriously. It was horrible. I learned the material, but it was boring, and I hatred school.

My parents moved to a new neighborhood, and more expensive house, just as I entered high school. There I met the same kids that I knew from my first elementary school (grades 1 - 4). They were light years ahead of me! After years of straight As, I brought home BS and Cs. After a year, I had caught up, went back to my high grades, and went on to college and grad school. But if my parents hadn't moved and I remained in the poor school, I would have gone to a mediocre college - if that.

No one is denying that schools with high FARMs/ESOL struggle. The point was that you can't blame it all on illegal immigration. People from all income-levels - including those here legally - move to the DC area for the job opportunities. The issue is that the low-income housing is all concentrated in pockets rather than being spread out more evenly across the area. If the schools across the area reflected the area demographics then many more schools would be thriving. Unfortunately, there is no easy solution for this. Rich Bs in McLean (who pretend to be accountants) don't want affordable housing near them and would fight like crazy to keep it out.

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who deny that being in school with poor kids from uneducated families, my personal experience (from 40+ years ago) reveals the truth:

My parents lived in a nice middle-class area, and I was sent to the assigned school. We had "tracking" (the gifted program), and I was in the top track from grade 1 through grade 4. I was challenged and loved school.

Then they re-drew the district line, and my house "missed" the nice middle class school by one block. I was diverted to the poorer school, despite my parents trying to fight it (I didn't understand why at the time), and transferred to the poor school (kids with uneducated parents) in fifth grade. They were learning the math that I had mastered in 2nd grade! They were reading books that I read at age 7! Then it was on to the poor junior high school. These kids were not academic (to put it mildly) and bullied the "smart" kids who took their studies seriously. It was horrible. I learned the material, but it was boring, and I hatred school.

My parents moved to a new neighborhood, and more expensive house, just as I entered high school. There I met the same kids that I knew from my first elementary school (grades 1 - 4). They were light years ahead of me! After years of straight As, I brought home BS and Cs. After a year, I had caught up, went back to my high grades, and went on to college and grad school. But if my parents hadn't moved and I remained in the poor school, I would have gone to a mediocre college - if that.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

YEP. Exactly why Trump won.

Middle class parents are facing the challenges from the increase in illegal immigration and they’re immediately labeled bigots by people who have the money to escape the challenges.

I see this hypocrisy from liberals elsewhere. I complained to a liberal friend that there is no specialist on my Obamacare plan for the condition I developed (15% of plans are missing key specialists) so I have to pay all costs myself. She said, "well....you can afford it." But when Trump won, she cried that she might lose her federal job, and he might repeat Obamacare, and then she might have to pay for her own pre-x condition herself. When I pointed out that was what I've had to do under Obamacare, she had no response.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

YEP. Exactly why Trump won.

Middle class parents are facing the challenges from the increase in illegal immigration and they’re immediately labeled bigots by people who have the money to escape the challenges.

I see this hypocrisy from liberals elsewhere. I complained to a liberal friend that there is no specialist on my Obamacare plan for the condition I developed (15% of plans are missing key specialists) so I have to pay all costs myself. She said, "well....you can afford it." But when Trump won, she cried that she might lose her federal job, and he might repeat Obamacare, and then she might have to pay for her own pre-x condition herself. When I pointed out that was what I've had to do under Obamacare, she had no response.

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Anonymous wrote:Specifically:
1) Name a school currently impacted.

2) What % of students there are "illegal"?

How do you propose anyone finds this information? Schools aren't allowed to inquire about a student's legal status.

Anonymous wrote:For those of you who deny that being in school with poor kids from uneducated families, my personal experience (from 40+ years ago) reveals the truth:

My parents lived in a nice middle-class area, and I was sent to the assigned school. We had "tracking" (the gifted program), and I was in the top track from grade 1 through grade 4. I was challenged and loved school.

Then they re-drew the district line, and my house "missed" the nice middle class school by one block. I was diverted to the poorer school, despite my parents trying to fight it (I didn't understand why at the time), and transferred to the poor school (kids with uneducated parents) in fifth grade. They were learning the math that I had mastered in 2nd grade! They were reading books that I read at age 7! Then it was on to the poor junior high school. These kids were not academic (to put it mildly) and bullied the "smart" kids who took their studies seriously. It was horrible. I learned the material, but it was boring, and I hatred school.

My parents moved to a new neighborhood, and more expensive house, just as I entered high school. There I met the same kids that I knew from my first elementary school (grades 1 - 4). They were light years ahead of me! After years of straight As, I brought home BS and Cs. After a year, I had caught up, went back to my high grades, and went on to college and grad school. But if my parents hadn't moved and I remained in the poor school, I would have gone to a mediocre college - if that.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder how many bigots on here are the descendants of Irish and Eastern European immigrants. They got the same sort of hateful treatment. They were also the first to throw stones when schools were integrated (see Boston school bus riots).

+1,000 ^THIS^

And just like back then the elites didn't have to deal with the issue. Look this is DCUM most of you have the luxury of living in areas that don't have to deal with this directly or send kids to private school so stop with the sanctimonious bs ok. P.S. this is why trump won.

YEP. Exactly why Trump won.

Middle class parents are facing the challenges from the increase in illegal immigration and they’re immediately labeled bigots by people who have the money to escape the challenges.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a huge issue and has gone out of control. Look at this article in Bethesda magazine. It's worth a read: http://www.bethesdamagazine.com/Bethesda-Magazine/November-December-2017/Hope-Lives-Here/ While this school is in MCPS, make no mistake- this is a reality in a good number of schools throughout the DMV.

So you hate poor people who live in trailers?

I thought it was a lovely story of how one community is supporting those in need. Those are some great teachers.

Who said that I hated poor people in trailers? Did you read it?
Of course principal and staff at the school are clearly amazing; but the fact is, teaching is only PART of their jobs these days. They're busy caring for these kids as if they are their own. If you don't see how that impacts education and our communities, then you are delusional. Send your kid to that school and let me know how much his education his impacted. Of course the fact that the school is over 75% farms and the fact that a good number of the students there are illegal immigrants impact public education and unfortunately the burden lays on just a few schools. YOu will never see this in the neighborhoods of McLean, Bethesda, Potomac, etc. Is that fair?

How do you know they are "illegal"?

You're right. It's just as likely that the non English speaking families living 15 people to an apartment been here for 5 generations. They don't speak a lick of English but you know, we can't prove that they are illegal, you and I, not even to have an Internet discussion.



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I dunno. Two families I know who are low-income and Spanish speakers are legal and live with extended family for a variety of reasons.

Ok, you got me. Parts of FFX looks like South America now - many who recently arrived and who don't speak a lick of English but it's clear they are all 100% legal. Also, I'm not sure why we are a sanctuary city at all, since everyone is legal...

You people crack me up. You are delusional. I do suspect you actually believe in the crap you put forth...

You are clearly sock puppeting like crazy and nothing screams right-wing basket case like some dumb ass comparing areas with a lot of Salvadorans to South America. Just pathetically stupid.

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Clearly what NPP knows about SA, is what s/he has seen in one of those Indiana Jones movies, many, many years ago. LOL.
NPP, most South Americans in this area are from well educated backgrounds, but your narrow mind put all of us under the "bad hombres" slogan, of course. You should know that Public K-12 education here doesn't compare to the education that we received back there, and actually, we strive to put our children in private schools here to resemble the good education that we are used to. While we pay for private school and, pay our taxes as responsible citizens, we don't resent the tax money that goes to public school for a family that needs it, which could be an ESOL, Special Ed., General Ed, or Gifted student, because they are children, the future of this great nation. You know... charity, good will and love of humanity, you should practice that sometime.

+1. Also, everyone complaining about the “illegals” should take a good look at the hiring practices of the hotels, restaurants, commercial landscaping companies, office cleaners, etc in this area. Low-skilled people (documented or otherwise) would not move here if there were no jobs.

I agree with you completely.

We should make it more of a crime to hire illegal immigrants. The whole reason illegal immigration has flourished for so long is because it benefits businesses. In reality, it doesn't benefit the illegal immigrants themselves - they would be better off if they were here legally. But, the fact that we make it so easy for companies to hire illegal immigrants and pay them shitty wages is why it continues.

The Republicans in Virginia wanted an E-verify law, but the liberals - always defending and excusing illegal immigrants - blocked it.

Bob McDonnell signed an E-verify law, although it only applies to companies seeking business contracts with the commonwealth. A lot of business groups (including the Chamber of Congress) and politicians support mandatory federal e verify with the caveat that employers who refuse to comply won't be penalized. This obviously isn't a strong deterrent to quit hiring undocumented workers, and businesses, along with private individuals, are well aware of it. They'll say they support the measure as long as it doesn't mean THEY will actually face a serious charge if they get caught. The worst fisherman in the world can tell you that if you remove the bait, the fish won't bite. As long as there are companies and private citizens willing to hire undocumented workers and pay them less, the undocumented workers will keep coming. And, as long as the aforementioned groups can get away with it without a stiff penalty, they'll keep doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

True there are Some but many bail after elementary school, additionally diversity is Fine its the high farms and high esol Thats a challenge and many liberals wont go near that.

Anonymous wrote:I understand where these posters are coming from, but there are actually a lot of liberal, white parents who put their money where their mouth is and send their kids to diverse public schools. We're not all hypocrites.

Anonymous wrote:Fairfax is being bankrupted by ESOL AND SPECIAL EDUCATION. Pretty simple to google this

Special Needs kids, and ESOL people know this and are/have been flocking to FCPS

Most active people don't talk about this because they are content to game the system through the AAP system which also costs $$

The average normal kids are getting screwed which ironically is the opposite of what usually happens in public schools who typically handle the middle well and not the top and bottom