Hey Whitey, you going to the game Friday?

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Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

Please read up on Tobytown. Also on Scotland. Nobody gave those families any land; they bought it. Also please read up on African American history in Montgomery County in general. There's a lot of it. Here's a link to an interactive map of county-Designated African American historic sites and districts: http://montgomeryplanningboard.org/blog-news/2016/02/23/montgomery-planning-department-launches-map-of-county-designated-african-american-historic-sites-and-districts-to-honor-black-history/

(Tobytown is zoned for Wootton.)

a good article on Tobytown - https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html?utm_term=.bbebd9112ff1
In a wealthy Md. suburb, some residents have waited more than 30 years for a ride

fact is kids know who's from Scotland and who's from Tobytown . . . It's not a secret.

And many parents with money - b/c money doesn't discriminate - will send their kids to private.

So yes, those schools are segregated for the most part. In this case, it's a combination of race and income.

NP here. Thank you for posting this article. We're fairly new to MoCo and were not aware of this part of its history.

A couple of observations.

In common use, there is a difference between the N word with a "er" at the end and one with "a" at the end? The one with the "a" is typically used as the equivalent for bro.

It seems odd that White people are essentially fighting to use the word just because others use it. Try as you might, you cannot ignore the historical connotation of the word.

We are White and I have told my own kids that I do not care who they hear using the word - they are not to use it. I dare any White person to use the word towards any target group and defend it with "I heard others say it so it must be ok." Same with "b!tch or f*g or d*ke. I just hope you have good dental insurance.

As far as the OP, I thought the principal's response was wholly appropriate. And you headline was misleading - the letter was just not about the n word - it was about offensive language in general.

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The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

No, that's not how the MPDUs work. You can't fight to keep MPDUs out of your neighborhood. You can fight to keep new residential development out of your neighborhood, which people have indeed done in Bethesda and Potomac, but also in other parts of the county. You can also fight to keep workforce housing or low-income housing out of your neighborhood, but that's not MPDUs -- and again, people have done this in other parts of the county as well (most recently Damascus, for example).

Yes. Actually you can keep MPDUs out of your neighborhood and W people did it for years (all through the 90's). Then other areas showed a lopsided effect of more MPDUs east and north. Damascus and White Oak for example did not try to keep them out, they just asked for them to be equally distributed.

No. The county regulation is that at least 12.5% of units in any new development with 20 or more units must be MPDUs. If there is any instance where the county allowed a development of 20 or more units without MPDUs, I don't know if it -- please provide information.

http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/DHCA/housing/singlefamily/mpdu/index.html

In Damascus, they weren't complaining about MPDUs specifically, but rather about housing for lower-income people in general. Woodfield Commons development was supposed to have 84 units, of which 11 were to be MPDUs, 64 were to be Low Income Housing Tax Credit Program, and 9 were to be market rate. They didn't want the LIHTC units.

http://www.montgomeryplanningboard.org/agenda/2015/documents/PreliminaryandSitePlanFinalDraft120315_RAW_KRR12-4-15.pdf

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The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

No, that's not how the MPDUs work. You can't fight to keep MPDUs out of your neighborhood. You can fight to keep new residential development out of your neighborhood, which people have indeed done in Bethesda and Potomac, but also in other parts of the county. You can also fight to keep workforce housing or low-income housing out of your neighborhood, but that's not MPDUs -- and again, people have done this in other parts of the county as well (most recently Damascus, for example).

Yes. Actually you can keep MPDUs out of your neighborhood and W people did it for years (all through the 90's). Then other areas showed a lopsided effect of more MPDUs east and north. Damascus and White Oak for example did not try to keep them out, they just asked for them to be equally distributed.

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Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

Isn't Whitman a 4 on GS?

Yes, it's not exactly an elite school despite the community's efforts to keep out poor people.

https://www.greatschools.org/maryland/bethesda/970-Walt-Whitman-High-School/

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

Isn't Whitman a 4 on GS?

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The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

No, that's not how the MPDUs work. You can't fight to keep MPDUs out of your neighborhood. You can fight to keep new residential development out of your neighborhood, which people have indeed done in Bethesda and Potomac, but also in other parts of the county. You can also fight to keep workforce housing or low-income housing out of your neighborhood, but that's not MPDUs -- and again, people have done this in other parts of the county as well (most recently Damascus, for example).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

The rest of the county is not segregated thanks to MPDU's which the W's families have fought hard to keep out of their neighborhoods.

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

What does this mean? in bold

I've taught in majority minority high schools for most of my career. The kids themselves - from African and Caribbean nations - will separate themselves from African Americans (or blacks) by focusing on culture. Many have told me, "I'm not American black; I'm [insert country of origin here].

I agree that we will have difficulty becoming "one" b/c there are too many of us "others." I grew up bilingual, and inside the home we focused on our culture. I grew up with us and "the Americans." I'm not the only one who says this either. My younger colleagues at work - who are ether from different nations or first gen - laugh at the division. "our culture" vs. American culture

not sure if we'll ever overcome this to be honest

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Kids at Whitman are using the N word, that is what the thread is about. So yes, we are talking about black kids not wealthy Western African kids.

In the Whitman district most the black kids who have ancestors that were slaves are kept in a few neighborhoods. They are still segregated from wealthy people. I think it is called Tobytown. They are all over The "W" districts, neighborhoods that were given to slaves after they were freed. In Churchill, it is called Scottland.

So yes, Whitman has an issue with the way black kids are treated at school. The parents are clueless and the black parents with money send their kids to private schools like Landon.

Please read up on Tobytown. Also on Scotland. Nobody gave those families any land; they bought it. Also please read up on African American history in Montgomery County in general. There's a lot of it. Here's a link to an interactive map of county-Designated African American historic sites and districts: http://montgomeryplanningboard.org/blog-news/2016/02/23/montgomery-planning-department-launches-map-of-county-designated-african-american-historic-sites-and-districts-to-honor-black-history/

(Tobytown is zoned for Wootton.)

a good article on Tobytown - https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/in-a-wealthy-md-suburb-some-residents-have-waited-more-than-30-years-for-a-ride/2016/04/30/5ecfb218-00f6-11e6-9203-7b8670959b88_story.html?utm_term=.bbebd9112ff1
In a wealthy Md. suburb, some residents have waited more than 30 years for a ride

fact is kids know who's from Scotland and who's from Tobytown . . . It's not a secret.

And many parents with money - b/c money doesn't discriminate - will send their kids to private.

So yes, those schools are segregated for the most part. In this case, it's a combination of race and income.

So funny that the principal involved the school resource officer. Are the cops going to arrest kids for offensive language...LOL.

This language is disgusting, but kids mess with each other all the time. Kind of pathetic that they took such a hard stance on the N word, yet I'm sure other races have been called vile racial/ethnic names with seemingly little response.

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Anonymous wrote:Do ya all know how crazy you sound?
'Asians are white people'
'West Africans arent black people'
'All rich people are white segregationists even if they arent white.'
'Only rich people go to a W school, except the non racist rich who go to rich private schools'
'Disagree with me and you are a racist'

Is the only thing you see a persons race? You all are racist.
I feel for the Principal, no matter what he does he cant win. But the real issue here isn't kids being kids in school saying stupid stuff cause they are kids. The real problem us the parents who all hate each other for no damn good reason.

Sorry, this upsets you; however, students would likely refrain from using ugly racial slurs if their school wasn't segregated.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but the property-driven neighborhood school system is a worldwide practice. And no one calls it segregation.
So unless you start tearing down cities for your social experiment that won't change. And costly bussing kids around like chapter 220 did for 15+ years didn't do a thing for black teen tests scores, pregnancies rates, Hs grad rates nor college acceptance rates.

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation. [/quote]

Why, because the principal addressed the issue (which exists at probably all the local high schools) head on?

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No because parents in the school are clearly ignorant, racist and privledged.[/quote]

Man, love to hear how much you hate the private school families in the DMV, since they are 30% of the total student body. You do live in Montgomery County, right?

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Anonymous wrote:I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation.

Why, because the principal addressed the issue (which exists at probably all the local high schools) head on?

Because global anonymous chat boards are where it's at yo!