Okay. I'll agree I'm probably a "frumpy matron". I'm middle aged. I had a mother who thought everything should have ruffles, bows, and/or embroidery. When I was young she literally sewed jingle bells on some of my clothes. When I finally got to pick my own clothes I opted for simple, classic looks. If a trend appealed to me, I might pick up one piece, but I wanted clothes I could wear for years.

I agree with everything that's been said here, but I have two additional complaints.

Can we get rid of lowrise pants? They don't really look good on anyone. I can remember when pants actually fit. The waistline actually hit the waist, and you didn't have the huge gap in the back.

Can we get rid of rayon? It wrinkles badly and has to be ironed, but scorches so easily that you end up with shiny spots. It also is terrible about pilling.

I don't have a Neiman Marcus budget. I tend to shop at JC Penney or Sears. Target's awful. I think the quality and prices at Walmart are much better - but that's for stocking up on T-shirts, etc. Even I don't think of Walmart as fashionable.

Anonymous wrote:I'm 50. Have a nice figure and can afford good quality (but not designer like Gucci and Prada). I lovethe new trends. I love color and love to look fresh. I am complimented all the time. I just bought some great pieces at (gasp) anthropologie and zara as well as saks and NM. If you have a good eye and don't overdo it you can look fashionable and stylish without looking trendy and cheap. I don't want to dress like talbots and brooks brothers catalogue.

What trends do you love?

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

Too bad your fashion forward style can't mask your personality.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Yes to both! And a major department store (interesting you didn't say which) is hardly the cutting edge of style, to put it nicely. Most major department stores cater to middle America and are a dying breed. Perhaps that's why you don't get what's happening in fashion today? How young to be that out of it.

Anonymous wrote:I am in my early 30s and have a nice figure, and I still hate everything out there. So let's stop with the age-ism/"past-it"-ness. The reality is, clothing is awful these days. Horrible fabrics, unflattering cuts (loose/flowy/shapeless tops, leggings and "athletic wear" below), piss-poor quality.

OP is dead-on.

I'm in my mid-30s and fat, but it is grim. That some can't acknowledge this suggests not a difference of opinion, but an ignorance as to how clothes used to be constructed. My sewing skills definitely still produce "homemade" looking clothes, but I am going to practice!

I am in my early 30s and have a nice figure, and I still hate everything out there. So let's stop with the age-ism/"past-it"-ness. The reality is, clothing is awful these days. Horrible fabrics, unflattering cuts (loose/flowy/shapeless tops, leggings and "athletic wear" below), piss-poor quality.

OP is dead-on.

Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about sleeves? As I've gotten older, I've started to run warm. So long sleeves in the office, even during the winter is a no-go. But also as I've older, my arms are a little chubby (as is the rest of me). So I need a little coverage in the upper arms.

IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND SHORT SLEEVES. Everything is long sleeved or sleeveless. You occasionally find short flouncy, frilly sleeves that no middle aged woman who wants to be taken seriously would ever wear.

I just want to find a nice top that isn't see-through, that covers my arms in a decent print.

Yes, yes, yes! Why is everything sleeveless or super long (and heavy). I used to be able to find stuff that ended at the elbow, so it was still fairly cool but looked appropriate. Now that I really need the coverage, I cannot find any.

Anonymous wrote:I'm 50. Have a nice figure and can afford good quality (but not designer like Gucci and Prada). I lovethe new trends. I love color and love to look fresh. I am complimented all the time. I just bought some great pieces at (gasp) anthropologie and zara as well as saks and NM. If you have a good eye and don't overdo it you can look fashionable and stylish without looking trendy and cheap. I don't want to dress like talbots and brooks brothers catalogue.

Thank you. Young at heart here and I don't ever shop in Talbots et al either.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

NP and this is the biggest problem with this blouse - it looks cheap! $80 for a polyester shirt with dots that I'm willing to bet won't last 3 delicate cycle washes before hanging off the thread. Expect better for yourselves ladies.

I'm 50. Have a nice figure and can afford good quality (but not designer like Gucci and Prada). I lovethe new trends. I love color and love to look fresh. I am complimented all the time. I just bought some great pieces at (gasp) anthropologie and zara as well as saks and NM. If you have a good eye and don't overdo it you can look fashionable and stylish without looking trendy and cheap. I don't want to dress like talbots and brooks brothers catalogue.

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

Don't get what? Don't get the appeal of busy, ruffled, cheaply made and over priced trendy shirts?

Fashion.

Btw, it's ruffled shirts now, in 3 years when the styles have completely shifted, you will find another thing to complain about. It's what out of touch people do and have done since the beginning of the modern era. Always complaining about what the "kids are wearing"

Okay, but I'm young, most likely younger than you, and I know a lot about fashion. Anne Taylor isn't it.

I doubt all of your first sentence. And no one thinks it is except for the fraus on here, but gold star to you for at least knowing that basic tidbit about fashion.

I'm 27 and worked in visual merchandising (designing store windows) for a major upscale department store for a few years after college before grad school. Are you younger than me and do you have more experience than I do?

Anonymous wrote:Plus FIT. Let's just not define the waist anymore. Oh, OK. Because women of all sizes have nice waists, but let's take that away from them. Darts? What are darts?

I bet it costs more to make clothes that actually fit. Unfortunately, we are not given the option of just paying more.

Neutrals, other solid colors. Pretty prints. Nothing that looks like it was randomly glued on, everything with enough tailoring to highlight the body's natural shape.

How can this be so hard to find?

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

I guess the problem for me is that my work environment is predominantly male. The guys would burst out laughing if I wore that. They burst out laughing when I wore a touch of leopard print. Maybe you work in a sales at a department store? Or some other primarily female environment?

Who cares what guys think? Trust me, guys will respect you and yours style if you rock it with confidence and make it clear it's not for them. Like I don't care what DCUM says about the clothes I like- not one lick. Once people realize you truly don't care about insults and you love what you have, they generally back off. I would take it as a compliment that they laughed at you because men are so clueless about fashion. If they understand everything you wear, you're doing it wrong. JMO!

While I appreciate that attitude in theory, in practice I just want them to notice my work output. While they are distracted by my clothes, they are not noticing what great ideas I have. But, I hope someday you young women won't have to make the kind of sacrifices I have made to get the boys to focus on just how good I am at having new ideas in my line of work...

Well in your original post you sounded like you thought this was a problem, that you wanted to be able to creatively express yourself and were frustrated that you couldn't due to your coworkers laughing at you. If you don't care, then you don't care. Awesome. Wear khakis every day, do you. Not everyone is a fashion person.

No, I care. I keep it bottled up. But I am very glad that you don't feel you need to do this in order to make progress in your field. You rock!

Thank you And you can still be a weekend fashion warrior. You rock as well!

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

I guess the problem for me is that my work environment is predominantly male. The guys would burst out laughing if I wore that. They burst out laughing when I wore a touch of leopard print. Maybe you work in a sales at a department store? Or some other primarily female environment?

Who cares what guys think? Trust me, guys will respect you and yours style if you rock it with confidence and make it clear it's not for them. Like I don't care what DCUM says about the clothes I like- not one lick. Once people realize you truly don't care about insults and you love what you have, they generally back off. I would take it as a compliment that they laughed at you because men are so clueless about fashion. If they understand everything you wear, you're doing it wrong. JMO!

While I appreciate that attitude in theory, in practice I just want them to notice my work output. While they are distracted by my clothes, they are not noticing what great ideas I have. But, I hope someday you young women won't have to make the kind of sacrifices I have made to get the boys to focus on just how good I am at having new ideas in my line of work...

Well in your original post you sounded like you thought this was a problem, that you wanted to be able to creatively express yourself and were frustrated that you couldn't due to your coworkers laughing at you. If you don't care, then you don't care. Awesome. Wear khakis every day, do you. Not everyone is a fashion person.

No, I care. I keep it bottled up. But I am very glad that you don't feel you need to do this in order to make progress in your field. You rock!

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Anonymous wrote:All of these apparently young (?) women posting about style and the "dcum fraus" sound ignorant. Trendy, cheap clothes do not look good and they don't last. I'm 27, btw.

NP. I am young at heart (47). If you spent enough time here and saw the shoes and dresses posted along with the insistence on pantyhose you would get why people are calling these women fraus.

There is nothing wrong with this top posted earlier and it does not skew 14 yo.

https://www.anntaylor.com/dotted-ruffle-tie-neck-blouse-/440701?skuId=23737419&defaultColor=2222&colorExplode=false&catid=cata000010

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If you don't get it, you don't get it. And you never will.

I guess the problem for me is that my work environment is predominantly male. The guys would burst out laughing if I wore that. They burst out laughing when I wore a touch of leopard print. Maybe you work in a sales at a department store? Or some other primarily female environment?

Who cares what guys think? Trust me, guys will respect you and yours style if you rock it with confidence and make it clear it's not for them. Like I don't care what DCUM says about the clothes I like- not one lick. Once people realize you truly don't care about insults and you love what you have, they generally back off. I would take it as a compliment that they laughed at you because men are so clueless about fashion. If they understand everything you wear, you're doing it wrong. JMO!

While I appreciate that attitude in theory, in practice I just want them to notice my work output. While they are distracted by my clothes, they are not noticing what great ideas I have. But, I hope someday you young women won't have to make the kind of sacrifices I have made to get the boys to focus on just how good I am at having new ideas in my line of work...

Well in your original post you sounded like you thought this was a problem, that you wanted to be able to creatively express yourself and were frustrated that you couldn't due to your coworkers laughing at you. If you don't care, then you don't care. Awesome. Wear khakis every day, do you. Not everyone is a fashion person.