I guess my husband might have been "happier" if he had married someone who was basically nice and sweet and pretty but not ambitious career-wise. But I think, 20 years in, he wouldn't be who he is now if he hadn't married someone like me, who is pretty career-driven. He would have gone soft without the competition. I think if he were married to someone without ambition, "good enough" would have been good enough for him, and then he would have gotten to middle age and looked around and seen other men--younger men--passing him by career-wise and he would realize--too late--that he had missed out. Like I said, maybe he would have been happier in some ways--maybe his day to day family life would have been nicer with a more family-oriented wife-- but looking back across the whole of things he would maybe not have the personal pride and satisfaction that he has now.

Exactly, lol. I see it all, comes down to personality and life goals. The ladies doth protests too much...me thinks.

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Anonymous wrote:In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

Correction: Having another marker of intelligence is a plus (e.g. going to a highly regarded college), but what the wive does after that is moot. Or why does every nytimes wedding announcement mention the bride "most recently". Or when Linda Hirschman did investigative sleuthing a lot of those pedigreed wives ended up not working a few years after the marriage. Prior to women going to college family prestige was viewed as the status marker.

Pedigreed women quit because they marry men with high powered jobs and both careers cannot be sustained. Obviously.

So basically the women still harping about how prestigious their jobs are obviously did not marry those high powered men and are now harping and ragging on other women for their career choices.

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Anonymous wrote:In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

Correction: Having another marker of intelligence is a plus (e.g. going to a highly regarded college), but what the wive does after that is moot. Or why does every nytimes wedding announcement mention the bride "most recently". Or when Linda Hirschman did investigative sleuthing a lot of those pedigreed wives ended up not working a few years after the marriage. Prior to women going to college family prestige was viewed as the status marker.

Pedigreed women quit because they marry men with high powered jobs and both careers cannot be sustained. Obviously.

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Anonymous wrote:In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

Still many doctor-nurse couples actually...

I know at least 50 doctors and not one is married to a nurse.

Anonymous wrote:In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

Still many doctor-nurse couples actually...

Anonymous wrote:In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

Correction: Having another marker of intelligence is a plus (e.g. going to a highly regarded college), but what the wive does after that is moot. Or why does every nytimes wedding announcement mention the bride "most recently". Or when Linda Hirschman did investigative sleuthing a lot of those pedigreed wives ended up not working a few years after the marriage. Prior to women going to college family prestige was viewed as the status marker.

In my parents' generation, it was common to see a lawyer-secretary or doctor-nurse couple. That is not the case any more. So, either all of the intelligent women are now becoming lawyers instead of secretaries of doctors instead of nurses and men follow intelligence or men prefer their wives to have higher prestige careers.

We are both highly educated. I am now a SAHM. Frankly, highly educated girls are dime a plenty especially in the big coastal cities such as NYC, Boston, DC etc. Nothing special. My DH told me he married me because I was the only one he dated who made him laugh and did not bore him. And when he meant bore he did not mean intellectual deep discussions about nothing, more of we got along and had fun. He also checked me out on the first date and was physically attracted to me. That was it. My job was not the determining factor, in fact it was a negative at some point because I had a "high power job" that made me moody and grumpy and physically unfit and left me no time to spend with him. We are much much happier now.

Frankly I find this elitism job snobbery very offputting, but I remember the little bubble I with all the "ivy educated" girls I hung out with when I lived in a coastal city and how judgmental they were. Fortunately I moved away and broadened my social circle, I now appreciated people from all walks of life and are friends with all of them. Everyone has something to offer.

I am a PP, a nanny, my post was buried under all the argument about Hillary and misogyny and bitterness.
One thing many of you forget is that some people who are quite intelligent and highly creative choose paths that do not focus on high paying careers, like law or business.
The most intellectual, interesting conversations I have ever had or heard have been with the groups of artists, musicians and other creative people that I know. My partner works in books and knows more about the printed word than most. His coworkers almost all have higher degrees, but decided to work regular jobs in the book industry, while focusing their energy on creating outside of work. Since society really doesn't give a damn about people like us, we get regulated to being thought of as stupid, unable to hold up a conversation, and unsuitable for relationships.
Personally, I prefer the company of people who talk about science, the cosmos, current events, and art without the attitude of being better than a nanny, waitress, or retail worker. Most of you on this thread are truly not worth the time of day. I'm glad that the doctors I work for view me as intelligent and my work as honorable.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and look at her rack.

You can purchase one for around 10k fyi. If you refer a friend even cheaper.

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She was not very pretty or feminine looking. How did she end up with Bill? He surely had his pick of girls.

More accurately, how did she end up with him. She probably could have married a decent guy instead of this perv, surely she saw the red flags. He's nothing to look at either with his horrible complexion.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, and look at her rack.

The teen forum is this way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Yeah, and look at her rack.

Matt Damon's wife whom he is deeply in love with was a bartender and a single mom when they met.