Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:34     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The skeptic (and prosecutor) in me wonders if anyone actually saw the child on the beach other than the parents. The whole story is strange. Why is the four year old in the play pen while the baby is allowed to wander alone in the water in the darK?

Otherwisee, it is just a horrible tragedy. Disney has been at that location for more than 40 years. If they were truly negligent, this would not be the first incident of this kind.

Weird -- the 4 yr old in the playpen caught my eye too. Others metioned movies and parades -- yet I haven't read witness accounts of seeing this family.


None of this makes me bat an eye.

Two year old is wild and stired up from all the excitement. Parents let him run around to burn off energy until the parade with dad strolling a few feet away in eyeshot and voice control but not arms length.

Four year old is tired and worn out and having a meltdown, so mom says "Fine. Get in the pac n play and lay down while your brother runs off some steam. We lugged it out here so someone might as well use it."

Dad is tired, feeling laid back because after all, they are on vacation and it's Disney. The toddler sees the gator and runs directly towards it because after all it looks just like the Captain Hook crocodile he has seen all over the park and Jake and the Neverland Pirate. Dad tries but he does not react quickly enough to get to his son before the aligator gets him and by the time he gets there it is too late

None of this, the toddler near the waters edge or the four year old in the playpen sounds surprising.

And why did Disney have a lifeguard stationed at an alligator infested beach if they weren't allowing swimming?



Dumbest post of the day. It's early, though.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:34     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is Disney negligent if there are signs that say not to go into the water? I'm serious.



Holding an outdoor movie near the lake:

Assuming the responsibility for removing gators from Bay Lake and missing this one;

Failure to post signs that explain how dangerous gators are (the family is from Nebraska)

Failure to train the lifeguard on how to wrangle alligators


They have founf four gators in that area of water since this happened last night.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:33     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:In FL, it is reasonable to assume every body of fresh water -- excluding swimming pools -- has gators.


Maybe, but I don't know how a family from Nebraska would know that. My heart breaks for them.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:33     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the father had been armed, he could have shot the gator.


Guns are prohibited on Disney property. My sister works there and takes issue with not being allowed to leave it in her car.

I realize you were probably joking, but someone might believe it. Also, it is in poor taste.


I wasn't joking. I'm not a big gun fan, and I don't own any, but what I said is a true statement. And if I were in the situation that PP described about finding one in the backyard, I would buy a gun and do the same thing. I have three kids to think about.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:33     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:I just read the report. There were "No Swimming" signs posted all over the property. There was a lifeguard on duty, but apparently too far away.

My question is why didn't the lifeguard tell the parents to keep the toddler out of the water? The lifeguard is there to enforce rules.


The lifeguard was for the resort pool area. S/he probably didn't even see the family wading in the lagoon which is farther out.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:31     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The skeptic (and prosecutor) in me wonders if anyone actually saw the child on the beach other than the parents. The whole story is strange. Why is the four year old in the play pen while the baby is allowed to wander alone in the water in the darK?

Otherwisee, it is just a horrible tragedy. Disney has been at that location for more than 40 years. If they were truly negligent, this would not be the first incident of this kind.

Weird -- the 4 yr old in the playpen caught my eye too. Others metioned movies and parades -- yet I haven't read witness accounts of seeing this family.


None of this makes me bat an eye.

Two year old is wild and stired up from all the excitement. Parents let him run around to burn off energy until the parade with dad strolling a few feet away in eyeshot and voice control but not arms length.

Four year old is tired and worn out and having a meltdown, so mom says "Fine. Get in the pac n play and lay down while your brother runs off some steam. We lugged it out here so someone might as well use it."

Dad is tired, feeling laid back because after all, they are on vacation and it's Disney. The toddler sees the gator and runs directly towards it because after all it looks just like the Captain Hook crocodile he has seen all over the park and Jake and the Neverland Pirate. Dad tries but he does not react quickly enough to get to his son before the aligator gets him and by the time he gets there it is too late

None of this, the toddler near the waters edge or the four year old in the playpen sounds surprising.

And why did Disney have a lifeguard stationed at an alligator infested beach if they weren't allowing swimming?

Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:30     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:People on DisBoards commenting that gators are routinely spotted in Magic Kingdom near Splash Mountain and Tom Sawyer Island.

How is that possible? Disney doesn't kill or capture them?


It is FLA and there is water, there WILL BE GATORS. Disney works with Fish and Wildlife works with Disney constantly to remove gators. But, DAMN, it is Florida and there are Gators. END OF STORY.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:29     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We are going to Disney this weekend. What are the odds that it won't be too crowded now?


Slim to none.


Damn


'Murica
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:29     Subject: Re:2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
I just read the report. There were "No Swimming" signs posted all over the property. There was a lifeguard on duty, but apparently too far away.

My question is why didn't the lifeguard tell the parents to keep the toddler out of the water? The lifeguard is there to enforce rules.

Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:29     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:No one had a gun? We encountered one several years ago in SC. It was hissing on the porch of our rental cottage. DH shot it and killed it before it could harm anyone.


And should have been fined for doing so.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:28     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is Disney negligent if there are signs that say not to go into the water? I'm serious.



Holding an outdoor movie near the lake:

Assuming the responsibility for removing gators from Bay Lake and missing this one;

Failure to post signs that explain how dangerous gators are (the family is from Nebraska)

Failure to train the lifeguard on how to wrangle alligators


No lifeguard is going "wrangle" an alligator. What crazy alternative universe do some of you live in?


LOL seriously. One does not simply get trained to "wrangle" a prehistoric predator that can eat humans. That is not in a lifeguard's job description anywhere on this planet.


And yet tyhe lifeguard tried. Some kind of training was needed, even if it was just call 911 first, rather than trying to wrestle the gator


What lifeguard tried? Cite your source.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:27     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
No one had a gun? We encountered one several years ago in SC. It was hissing on the porch of our rental cottage. DH shot it and killed it before it could harm anyone.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:27     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:If the father had been armed, he could have shot the gator.

So very true.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:25     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:If the father had been armed, he could have shot the gator.


Guns are prohibited on Disney property. My sister works there and takes issue with not being allowed to leave it in her car.

I realize you were probably joking, but someone might believe it. Also, it is in poor taste.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2016 08:24     Subject: 2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:How is Disney negligent if there are signs that say not to go into the water? I'm serious.



Holding an outdoor movie near the lake:

Assuming the responsibility for removing gators from Bay Lake and missing this one;

Failure to post signs that explain how dangerous gators are (the family is from Nebraska)

Failure to train the lifeguard on how to wrangle alligators


No lifeguard is going "wrangle" an alligator. What crazy alternative universe do some of you live in?


LOL seriously. One does not simply get trained to "wrangle" a prehistoric predator that can eat humans. That is not in a lifeguard's job description anywhere on this planet.


And yet tyhe lifeguard tried. Some kind of training was needed, even if it was just call 911 first, rather than trying to wrestle the gator[/quote
There's no training to give! A lifeguard tried because it's human instinct to help a child in danger, not because there's known techniques for overpowering a reptile with the strongest jaws on earth.


Shotgun to the abdimen