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Anonymous wrote:One of my many problems with these posts is that they op seems to refer to African Americans as though they are the sole cause for limited number of Asian Americans not getting in. I don't care how many times you say this or how many threads you start. The legacy and international students account for 20-25 percent alone while African Americans are between 5-8 percent of elite schools.

Also, a perfect test score often means years of studying. How should that be the deciding factor? That is what you are arguing?

As an Asian American, I don't think it's the *sole* cause. There are white kids with less than stellar grades/scores getting in above Asian American kids with more impressive e.c., grades, scores. That's also the issue. And also, there are white students who have sued colleges for this same thing:

http://college.usatoday.com/2015/06/29/supreme-court-will-re-hear-university-of-texas-affirmative-action-case/

Just like when whites complain about affirmative action/AAs and "merit" this is also a slippery slope. Is it not possible that there are white students with better scores that got passed over for Asians? I work in admission consulting and had an AA client who was a student athlete with stellar grades, top 5% SAT, and extracurriculars, who got rejected by all the Ivies he applied to. I know for certain his grades were better than most who applied. Can we add him to the lawsuit?

You can find an examples of this across the board. If anything, I would think Asian American's biggest issue would be the high % of acceptances from their Asian non-american counterparts. Thats who mainly make up the top schools. Not Asian Americans.

Anonymous wrote:The great irony of this Asian-American anti-affirmative action meme is that Asian immigration to the U.S. was a by product of the civil rights movement. The mere fact that Asians are here today is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of African-Americans who eliminated legalized racism. It is an especially cruel irony that African-Americans insisted on using their political capital to gain immigration rights for Asians and now a small minority of those immigrants blame African-Americans because their child can't get into Stanford.

That is why all the Asian-American civil rights groups SUPPORT affirmative action. And, that is why the most outraged Asians are the ones with the least understanding of American history.

100%.

Sadly, this truth will upset a lot of folks on here and they will try to diminish your point. Guaranteed someone will take it and say "other ethnicities were part of the civil rights movement too "as if no one knows that already.

Anonymous wrote:Wont matter cause Harvard will decide whom it will admit, not the president.

You’re saying DOJ and DOE have no jurisdiction in this matter? [That may be correct; if so, you have to wonder why these groups bothered to file the complaints].

Anonymous wrote:Also, the Chinese Exclusion Act was overturned prior to the Civil Rights movement. Asians came here long before the Civil Rights movement.

Everyone is equal under the law because of the 14th Amendment - one of the post-civil war Reconstruction amendments. Without it, it would be perfectly Constitutional today to deny birthright citizenship to immigrants, as many/most countries do, or for people of color to just have fewer rights. The Chinese Exclusion Act was part of political deal with Westerners so Southern Lost Causers could dismantle the gains of blacks after the civil war.

The Magnuson Act repealed the Chinese Exclusion Act during WWII, but only allowed 105 Chinese immigrants and kept the bars on other Asian immigrants. 105! Immigration was regulated by a national origin quota system that gave 70% of all immigration slots to those from Germany, Ireland and England. There was still an effective "Asiatic Barred Zone." Only with the repeal of the old system under the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965 did Asian immigration open up in a meaningful way and the pace quickened thanks to the new law's priority for family reunification.

Since there were so few Asians (or other non-European immigrants) in the US in 1965 and they had so little political power, a reasonable person would ask why the law changed. It didn't change because former racists suddenly became enlightened. The simple answer is that the civil rights movement took it on as part of their overall effort to dismantle the legal structure of American apartheid. They didn't have to. They could have chosen not to bother. They could have just concentrated on legislation that would have benefited African-Americans. But, they stood on principle and made it possible for millions of people like my parents who came from Taiwan and for me to be full-fledged Americans.

That is one of the reasons why all the Asian-American civil rights organization support affirmative action. That's why the entire Congressional Asian Pacific Islander caucus supports affirmative action.

Anonymous wrote:The great irony of this Asian-American anti-affirmative action meme is that Asian immigration to the U.S. was a by product of the civil rights movement. The mere fact that Asians are here today is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of African-Americans who eliminated legalized racism. It is an especially cruel irony that African-Americans insisted on using their political capital to gain immigration rights for Asians and now a small minority of those immigrants blame African-Americans because their child can't get into Stanford.

That is why all the Asian-American civil rights groups SUPPORT affirmative action. And, that is why the most outraged Asians are the ones with the least understanding of American history.

Lady, you are not the center of the universe. Asian Americans have been living in the US for centuries before African Americans even came into the equation. Learn some history. If anyone is an immigrant here, it's probably you.

Anonymous wrote:The great irony of this Asian-American anti-affirmative action meme is that Asian immigration to the U.S. was a by product of the civil rights movement. The mere fact that Asians are here today is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of African-Americans who eliminated legalized racism. It is an especially cruel irony that African-Americans insisted on using their political capital to gain immigration rights for Asians and now a small minority of those immigrants blame African-Americans because their child can't get into Stanford.

That is why all the Asian-American civil rights groups SUPPORT affirmative action. And, that is why the most outraged Asians are the ones with the least understanding of American history.

And many African Americans also seem to forget that white America had a history of discriminating against all non-white people, including Asians. Colored people = non white people. So, whatever laws and discrimination Black people suffered, Asian Americans also suffered such laws, even out West in CA. Yes, African Americans probably more so due to the legacy of slavery, but whatever laws the US had against colored people, included Asian Americans.

BTW, it wasn't all African Americans that paved the way for civil rights for all. I highly doubt every single AA protested and marched in DC. Oh, and there were Asian American civil rights campaigners, too. Their numbers were small, well, because there weren't that many Asians in the US back then because of the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Also, the Chinese Exclusion Act was overturned prior to the Civil Rights movement. Asians came here long before the Civil Rights movement.

The great irony of this Asian-American anti-affirmative action meme is that Asian immigration to the U.S. was a by product of the civil rights movement. The mere fact that Asians are here today is because of the blood, sweat, and tears of generations of African-Americans who eliminated legalized racism. It is an especially cruel irony that African-Americans insisted on using their political capital to gain immigration rights for Asians and now a small minority of those immigrants blame African-Americans because their child can't get into Stanford.

That is why all the Asian-American civil rights groups SUPPORT affirmative action. And, that is why the most outraged Asians are the ones with the least understanding of American history.

Hmmm, he played the violin growing up too. And he's such a disaster of a one dimensional person too..,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Jeong

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Anonymous wrote:I understand if they file such a lawsuit against public universities, but I would think private universities can choose whatever criteria they want to admit students. I'm not saying it's right. Just saying I don't see how the gov't can force these private universities to strictly use test scores and grades for admissions. I'm Asian, btw.

Finally someone with common sense .

It’s not a lawsuit because they know they couldn’t win. It’s a complaint with DOJ and DOE. Probably will be deferred til the next president. I wonder what Hilary’s position on this would be.

Pretty sure she favors the traditional pro-affirmative action position.

Wont matter cause Harvard will decide whom it will admit, not the president.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand if they file such a lawsuit against public universities, but I would think private universities can choose whatever criteria they want to admit students. I'm not saying it's right. Just saying I don't see how the gov't can force these private universities to strictly use test scores and grades for admissions. I'm Asian, btw.

Finally someone with common sense .

It’s not a lawsuit because they know they couldn’t win. It’s a complaint with DOJ and DOE. Probably will be deferred til the next president. I wonder what Hilary’s position on this would be.

I think universities should be allowed to admit students by random lottery if they want to. There's no legal reason why SAT scores must be prioritized above all else, and in fact many schools are not requiring them anymore. I don't see any philosophical reason why only the smartest students according to some standardized test measure should be allowed to study at a specific university. In fact, I think colleges should be able to prioritize students who will go into specific careers the world needs (teaching, nursing, public interest law, mental health), rather than those who plan to work in investment banking and hedge funds.

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Anonymous wrote:I understand if they file such a lawsuit against public universities, but I would think private universities can choose whatever criteria they want to admit students. I'm not saying it's right. Just saying I don't see how the gov't can force these private universities to strictly use test scores and grades for admissions. I'm Asian, btw.

Finally someone with common sense .

Not really. The Obama administration is becoming at expert at throwing rules thorough private throats -- for example, ask Catholic hospitals and health plans what they think about Obamacare.

Anonymous wrote:I understand if they file such a lawsuit against public universities, but I would think private universities can choose whatever criteria they want to admit students. I'm not saying it's right. Just saying I don't see how the gov't can force these private universities to strictly use test scores and grades for admissions. I'm Asian, btw.

Finally someone with common sense .

Yes, fisher is for state-sponsored colleges. My point was that the animus seems to be aimed at African Americans in these threads about Asian Americans. Sue all you want, the Ivies are going to admit on things other than grades and test scores. Absent showing of direct discrimination they can do what they want.