Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:43
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Can someone please tell me why the cop told her to put out her cigarette?
Maybe smoke was blowing in his face. Maybe he could tell she was agitated and he was getting concerned about what she might do with the cigarette. Maybe he wanted her totally focused on what he was about to tell her about the warning he was going to give her and why. I honestly don't think is was a totally unreasonable request.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:43
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did you notice that at the very beginning of the video, Bland passes the officer going *in the opposite direction*, and for..... some reason..... he does a U turn and follows her and pulls her over?
Guilty of driving while black.
Actually, she blows through a stop sign right before he does the U-turn. Maybe he was actually being nice and getting her on a lesser charge.
"Nice"? Did you see the video (between the "glitches")?
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:36
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Can someone please tell me why the cop told her to put out her cigarette?
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:33
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did you notice that at the very beginning of the video, Bland passes the officer going *in the opposite direction*, and for..... some reason..... he does a U turn and follows her and pulls her over?
Guilty of driving while black.
Actually, she blows through a stop sign right before he does the U-turn. Maybe he was actually being nice and getting her on a lesser charge.
It looks like you are right, she did not stop at the stop sign.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:31
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:you know there is dashcam video out there right? You can see how she responds to his requests, she has an attitude.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
I do have sympathy for her, and it should not have ended this way. That said, in addition to police escalating the situation, she did her part in escalating it as well. It was a simple offence to which if she had politely complied, this would have ended very differently.
We don't know that. If you look at the "crimes" that have gotten Black men and women killed by police in this country in recent years, it isn't at all clear that complying with the police officer would have saved her life.
Tamir Rice (12) never had a chance to comply, he was shot dead for swinging on a swingset while holding a BB gun.
John Crawford also never got a chance to comply. His "crime" was carrying a pellet gun through a Wal-Mart that he had picked up from the rack in that very store.
Rekia Boyd was never told to comply, and off-duty police officer opened fire on her and her friends.
Aiyana Stanley-Jones (7) never had a chance to comply, she was killed sleeping on her grandmother's couch during a raid on the wrong house.
Having an attitude is not a crime, nor is contempt of cop. She committed no crime.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:29
Subject: Re:Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The one time we got pulled over in TX, my dh was asked to get out of the car and was taken to the back of the car and "questioned". The officer then came around to me and asked the same questions. It was nighttime and not on a main highway so it was definitely nerve wracking but you better believe we were both polite as hell, even if a bit confused. The officer ended up being really nice in the end. We, however, are white so have no understanding how an AA would feel about the same situation.
Being polite and responsive in these situations is always the best course of action. Running your mouth at the cops never is, as we have seen.
What you are describing is most likely a situation in which a vehicle similar to yours was involved in some sort of incident locally, perhaps even a very serious crime. In separating and questioning you, the cop was able to conclude quickly that you and DH were not involved in the incident. I'm sure it was unnerving but it got you on your way with the least possible amount of inconvenience.
There's no way for any of us to know what is going on in an area we may be stopped in, no way to know armed robbers have just fled in a car that looks like ours. Pick the easy way, behave.
Why blame the victim? The cop is the one who was on the job. He failed at his job by over reacting.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:24
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
you know there is dashcam video out there right? You can see how she responds to his requests, she has an attitude.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She broke the law initially. She was wrong. She put herself in that situation.
There are some police officers that do have an attitude, but black or white, you be polite and comply and deal with the ticket/warning after the fact.
She esclated the the interaction...no sympthay for her.
I do have sympathy for her, and it should not have ended this way. That said, in addition to police escalating the situation, she did her part in escalating it as well. It was a simple offence to which if she had politely complied, this would have ended very differently.
We don't know that. If you look at the "crimes" that have gotten Black men and women killed by police in this country in recent years, it isn't at all clear that complying with the police officer would have saved her life.
Tamir Rice (12) never had a chance to comply, he was shot dead for swinging on a swingset while holding a BB gun.
John Crawford also never got a chance to comply. His "crime" was carrying a pellet gun through a Wal-Mart that he had picked up from the rack in that very store.
Rekia Boyd was never told to comply, and off-duty police officer opened fire on her and her friends.
Aiyana Stanley-Jones (7) never had a chance to comply, she was killed sleeping on her grandmother's couch during a raid on the wrong house.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:24
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU&feature=youtu.be&t=68
The full video
Is this the full video, or the video with the "technical glitches" at key moments?
Interestingly, for the folks saying she should have just signaled, you can hear her on the video saying she moved over to get out of his way. So he turns around, tails her closely, and when she pulls over to get out of his way, issues a citation for failing to signal.
Given the racial history of that county/police force, I think we can be clear that he would have tailed her until he could invent an infraction. For more on the history of violent racism, much of of perpetrated by the police, in Waller County, look here: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/sandra-bland-waller-county-racism/398975/
PP -- after viewing the video I think this is what happened and sounds like a well played scheme on the cops part.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:21
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Side question -- why was she still in jail three days later? Wouldn't someone have bailed her out right away?
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:20
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
resistance is futile.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:19
Subject: Re:Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The one time we got pulled over in TX, my dh was asked to get out of the car and was taken to the back of the car and "questioned". The officer then came around to me and asked the same questions. It was nighttime and not on a main highway so it was definitely nerve wracking but you better believe we were both polite as hell, even if a bit confused. The officer ended up being really nice in the end. We, however, are white so have no understanding how an AA would feel about the same situation.
Being polite and responsive in these situations is always the best course of action. Running your mouth at the cops never is, as we have seen.
What you are describing is most likely a situation in which a vehicle similar to yours was involved in some sort of incident locally, perhaps even a very serious crime. In separating and questioning you, the cop was able to conclude quickly that you and DH were not involved in the incident. I'm sure it was unnerving but it got you on your way with the least possible amount of inconvenience.
There's no way for any of us to know what is going on in an area we may be stopped in, no way to know armed robbers have just fled in a car that looks like ours. Pick the easy way, behave.
Bland did not misbehave. The cop asked her a question, and she answered. He did not like her answer, so he decided to perform an illegal arrest.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:19
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Did you notice that at the very beginning of the video, Bland passes the officer going *in the opposite direction*, and for..... some reason..... he does a U turn and follows her and pulls her over?
Guilty of driving while black.
Actually, she blows through a stop sign right before he does the U-turn. Maybe he was actually being nice and getting her on a lesser charge.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:15
Subject: Re:Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:The one time we got pulled over in TX, my dh was asked to get out of the car and was taken to the back of the car and "questioned". The officer then came around to me and asked the same questions. It was nighttime and not on a main highway so it was definitely nerve wracking but you better believe we were both polite as hell, even if a bit confused. The officer ended up being really nice in the end. We, however, are white so have no understanding how an AA would feel about the same situation.
Being polite and responsive in these situations is always the best course of action. Running your mouth at the cops never is, as we have seen.
What you are describing is most likely a situation in which a vehicle similar to yours was involved in some sort of incident locally, perhaps even a very serious crime. In separating and questioning you, the cop was able to conclude quickly that you and DH were not involved in the incident. I'm sure it was unnerving but it got you on your way with the least possible amount of inconvenience.
There's no way for any of us to know what is going on in an area we may be stopped in, no way to know armed robbers have just fled in a car that looks like ours. Pick the easy way, behave.
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:12
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU&feature=youtu.be&t=68
The full video
Is this the full video, or the video with the "technical glitches" at key moments?
Interestingly, for the folks saying she should have just signaled, you can hear her on the video saying she moved over to get out of his way. So he turns around, tails her closely, and when she pulls over to get out of his way, issues a citation for failing to signal.
Given the racial history of that county/police force, I think we can be clear that he would have tailed her until he could invent an infraction. For more on the history of violent racism, much of of perpetrated by the police, in Waller County, look here: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/sandra-bland-waller-county-racism/398975/
Anonymous
07/22/2015 13:09
Subject: Woman moves from Illinois to Texas and ends up dead in jail cell
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did you notice that at the very beginning of the video, Bland passes the officer going *in the opposite direction*, and for..... some reason..... he does a U turn and follows her and pulls her over?
Guilty of driving while black.
Did she have out-of-state plates? Or purely DWB?
Good point, she did. Is that cause for being pulled over?
A lot of times, yes. Revenue generating.