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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

Do you know what freedom of speech means? The boys were not arrested...that's all you need to know.
Please walk into your manager's office and call him a fu*king idiot. You won't get arrested but you will probably get fired.

You need to rethink your insults, here. In this case it is government and it is potentially infringing on their free speech rights.

What? My kid goes to a public HS (government by your definition) and he damn sure would get expelled for singing a racist song on the school bus. Thinkgs like this are prohibited in the student handbook. So are you saying the public school students cannot be suspended or expelled for hate speech? Is that your position? LOL

Look, I know SOME of you think that this was some little drunken prank and that these boys deserve a pass, but these guys should be expelled for the sake of OU and their own safety. Because if they are not, what message are you sending to your student body? What message are you sending to potential applicants of any race? Like it or not, this is as much about OU's brand as it is anything else. OU competes with other schools in that part of country - OSU, KSU, JU, UT for students and endowment money. It's a business folks. Like people have told you, say what you want. But when what you say negatively impacts the bottom line, you are likely to be shown the door.

So much for the Conservative mantra of personal accountability.

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2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?


I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.


Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.


But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.


Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

Honest question. Were you one of the many posters who declared Trayvon Martin was a thug based on his facebook postings? He was between the ages of 15 and 17 for many of his postings.

BTW- I don't think all the guys on that bus were drunk. The voices were clear and not slurred. The ringleader did not appear drunk from what I could view. Somebody had to drive that bus. All college kids do not drink to excess. All nineteen year olds are not immature. Maybe not in the flush DMV, but at nineteen, many kids are financing their own lifestyles, college degrees, going off to war, working full-time jobs, have their own kids, etc.

Have you ever been to a frat event? They hire a driver to drive. It's like one of those large tourist busses you can rent for group events. And I'd bet money that they started drinking before they ever stepped foot on the bus.

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

Do you know what freedom of speech means? The boys were not arrested...that's all you need to know.
Please walk into your manager's office and call him a fu*king idiot. You won't get arrested but you will probably get fired.

You need to rethink your insults, here. In this case it is government and it is potentially infringing on their free speech rights.

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Anonymous wrote:The person who took the video and ruined the lives of some extraordinary immature drunk young men should have the courage to identify themselves. Yes they are idiots and likely racist. But public shaming in front of 300 million seems like too much.

Yeah, right. He's the bad guy. Guys like this never end up doing anyone any harm.

They also end up growing up.

Which just means they'll be more discreet with their bigotry

eh. I personally feel sorry for any dumbass young kid who gets labeled anything, even if apparently deserved, at the age of 19 when drunk and immature. Social media sucks.

Honest question. Were you one of the many posters who declared Trayvon Martin was a thug based on his facebook postings? He was between the ages of 15 and 17 for many of his postings.

BTW- I don't think all the guys on that bus were drunk. The voices were clear and not slurred. The ringleader did not appear drunk from what I could view. Somebody had to drive that bus. All college kids do not drink to excess. All nineteen year olds are not immature. Maybe not in the flush DMV, but at nineteen, many kids are financing their own lifestyles, college degrees, going off to war, working full-time jobs, have their own kids, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

What does "good student" have to do with it? How about being a good person and not sing about lynching your fellow humanity?

How on earth can you sing a song about lynching people with "no intent to offend?" Are you serious?

"Drunk" has nothing to do with it. It doesn't look like this was the first the the racist men men heard the "song" - they all seemed very familiar with it.

What kinds of dark skeletons do you have in your closet, that you think this is even marginally "hysterical?"

drinking songs are often offensive. have you ever been to a rugby party?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

What does "good student" have to do with it? How about being a good person and not sing about lynching your fellow humanity?

How on earth can you sing a song about lynching people with "no intent to offend?" Are you serious?

"Drunk" has nothing to do with it. It doesn't look like this was the first the the racist men men heard the "song" - they all seemed very familiar with it.

What kinds of dark skeletons do you have in your closet, that you think this is even marginally "hysterical?"

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.

Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.

But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.

Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

Hate speech is not a type of speech that has restrictions.

But they were expelled for causing an unsafe environment for fellow students. Are you forgetting the whole lynching part?

Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

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Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?

I don't think Right of Free Speech means what you think it does. . . You have a right to freedom of speech against the Federal Government via the US Constitution. Not at a university.

Public universities are government. They have a case.

Still, I'm glad they were expelled.

But they are not the Federal Government. Nevertheless, most universities have regulations allowing suspension in cases such as these. I bet OU does as well.

Government is government. Doesn't have to be federal. 14th amendment of US Constitution.

Yes, but even the constitutionally-protected right of free speech is not completely unfettered. There are safety exceptions. yelling fire in a crowded building is the often used example.

Hate speech is not a type of speech that has restrictions.

Anonymous wrote:I don't like the internet age of immediate hysteria and knee-jerk reactions. If these students were otherwise good students, I think singing a racist song on a drunken bus with no intent to offend (i.e., were minorities on the bus?), then expulsion seems over the top.

Anonymous wrote:2 kids just got expelled for exercising their freedom of speech. WTH?