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Anonymous wrote:It's fake. Why not actually visit a castle?

Lol. You can do both. Each has its benefits. You might not love DW but any parent with young children can see the appeal, I'm sure.

I can't. I really can't. I have a four year old and a one year old.

Anonymous wrote:It's fake. Why not actually visit a castle?

Lol. You can do both. Each has its benefits. You might not love DW but any parent with young children can see the appeal, I'm sure.

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

i call bs. I bet you have never been. and even if you have, why can't you like it and also like disney? why is one so middle class? and even if it is, why is that bad? Do you hate all middle class things like by ready to wear clothing and making your own food? Do have all your clothes made to measure and have a chef and a driver?

You are a poseur and it is obvious.

Per cortesia, non sono buggiatore

And yes I do find the overweight americans at Disney to be middle class.

I wear a lot of ready to wear clothing. I don't have a full time driver.

So overweight rich people like Ina are also beneath you? Or is she middle class as well because she drives her own car. Or, since you like Italians, would you have eschewed time with Pavarati on account of his girth? You still sound like a major liar. Or new money. Probably a little of both. New rich are masters at the humble brag as well as the insecurity (unsuccessfully cloaked by absurd pretentiousness) of knowing you are just one generation (or is it just half a generation with you) from lower middle class.

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

i call bs. I bet you have never been. and even if you have, why can't you like it and also like disney? why is one so middle class? and even if it is, why is that bad? Do you hate all middle class things like by ready to wear clothing and making your own food? Do have all your clothes made to measure and have a chef and a driver?

You are a poseur and it is obvious.

Per cortesia, non sono buggiatore

And now you have show you are also a jerk.

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

i call bs. I bet you have never been. and even if you have, why can't you like it and also like disney? why is one so middle class? and even if it is, why is that bad? Do you hate all middle class things like by ready to wear clothing and making your own food? Do have all your clothes made to measure and have a chef and a driver?

You are a poseur and it is obvious.

Per cortesia, non sono buggiatore

And yes I do find the overweight americans at Disney to be middle class.

I wear a lot of ready to wear clothing. I don't have a full time driver.

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

i call bs. I bet you have never been. and even if you have, why can't you like it and also like disney? why is one so middle class? and even if it is, why is that bad? Do you hate all middle class things like by ready to wear clothing and making your own food? Do have all your clothes made to measure and have a chef and a driver?

You are a poseur and it is obvious.

Per cortesia, non sono buggiatore

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

i call bs. I bet you have never been. and even if you have, why can't you like it and also like disney? why is one so middle class? and even if it is, why is that bad? Do you hate all middle class things like by ready to wear clothing and making your own food? Do have all your clothes made to measure and have a chef and a driver?

You are a poseur and it is obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

We like grand hotel tremezzo

Anonymous wrote:We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

really. where. You have 5 seconds to tell me where you stayed in lake como or else I call BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Europe = Gettysburg?

Have you actually been to Europe? LOL.

Yes smarty pants, I have been to Europe. My point was, I'm not dragging my young children all the way to Europe to listen to them whine. I can listen to them whine locally...no need to spend $10,000 to do so. You are either obtuse or just trying to stir the pot.

If my kids were that whiny I probably wouldn't take them anywhere.

We priced out Disney for a week - nearly $10k. So instead we flew to France and stayed at a rental house in Provence for a week. We explored the local markets, went to the beach, hung out on our beautiful patio/pool, made international friends hanging in the village square while eating ice cream. It was very low key and fun for the kids. No stuffy museums, no forts, no battlefields, no "site seeing", no waiting in line, no crazy crowds, no long bus rides back to the hotel, no rush to map out rides and get fast passes, etc.

Again, I don't hate Disney and we will go to again sometime in the future, but Europe isn't necessarily more expensive and isn't necessarily boring for kids. It is a real option for families. As are many other places in the world. There are many fun places around here too.

You must have worked hard to make a week at Disney cost $10K! Way to crunch the numbers for the trip YOU really wanted.

I just priced it out again for spring break week - $8k for one very basic room on the monorail, mid-level dining option (only one sit down meal/day), only 5 days in the park, etc. With the current spring "sale" prices. Plus add in the extras and you are pretty close to $10k.

Crazy expensive. Especially compared to similar experiences at Dutch Wonderland, etc.

None of the resorts on the monorail are standard. They are all the best resorts in Disney and are like the Ritz versus the Hampton Inn. If you are really trying to find cheaper, you could look at Disney's value priced resorts (as low as 150 per night) or outside of WDW proper. I found a 2 bedroom, 2 bath condo with washer dryer and full kitchen, about 5 minutes from WDW for 110 per night. Slept 10 people.

I wasn't trying to find the cheapest option. Just one that would work for our family that includes a napping 3 year old. Driving back and forth to a condo twice every day sounds pretty overwhelming. And what if my DH wanted to stay with our older child? Do we have the flexibility to split up?

And 10 people in a 2 bedroom place - really???

I wasn't suggesting that you should look at the cheapest. I am saying that the Polynesian, Grand Floridian, and Contemporary (the monorail resorts) are all Luxury resorts according to Disney. Disney offers moderate and value resort options as well. They also offer transportation to the parks via bus and free park parking to guests and have great amenities but they are not on the monorail which means there is no possibility of viewing the Magic Kingdom fireworks at night or literally walking into the Magic Kingdom (as can be done from the Contemporary). The place that was super cheap was call the Blue Heron Resort. We were there in January and got our great price directly from Blue Heron. They have 1 bedroom, 2 bedrooms and I believe 3 bedrooms (or maybe just large 2 bedrooms). I am pretty sure that they have units that will sleep 10. Definitely 8. And for us, having a kitchen and laundry facilities was fantastic.

We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out. So middle class!!! We are lake como people- not disney people

We like exclusive destinations- so disney is out.

What I don't get is adults who are crazy for Disney. I find it odd and a bit creepy. I dated a guy once who loved Disney as a nearly 30 year old man. I think he thought it was charming and innocent. I thought it was weird and tasteless. I don't understand newlyweds who choose Disneyworld as their honeymoon, but to each own. Do what makes you happy.

Exactly. I hate horror movies some people love them. It would be a very boring world if we were all the same. And, the lines at Disney would be worse than they are now!

I don't personally care for Disney. It's all marketing and commercialism with some long lines thrown in for some short rides and expensive but terrible food. That said, I've taken my kids to both Disneyworld and Disneyland - and done a Disney cruise. I take it for what it is and chalk it up to having little ones. They like it. I take them on lots of local educational and interesting trips as well and as they get older, we'll go on trips that require more travel, more patience and more time changes.

What I don't get is adults who are crazy for Disney. I find it odd and a bit creepy. I dated a guy once who loved Disney as a nearly 30 year old man. I think he thought it was charming and innocent. I thought it was weird and tasteless. I don't understand newlyweds who choose Disneyworld as their honeymoon, but to each own. Do what makes you happy.

Europe is nice, but it's a lot of work. Hawaii's a hellacious flight, When our child is older we'll do some trips out West in addition to our Florida, New England and Midwest trips.

I have been to Hawaii (loved it very expensive and very long flight) Europe: expensive and a lot of work. If it was just the two of us it would be easy. But with kids...
I liked Epcot -- no not nearly the same, but its a theme park and way more relaxing. Animal Kingdom: my DH travels to Africa frequently -- I know how far it is and what a tough experience that would be as far as relaxing is concerned. Animal Kingdom is not the same, but the animals are real and it takes an hour or two. Just the flight to Africa is 24 hours one way.
Disney is less real but more fun -- and I Never thought I would defend Disney!