Anonymous
11/28/2014 11:32
Subject: Re:what is the real point of looting?
TBH, this is has been an eye-opening discussion for me.
There are SOME White people in this country who believe what they believe and they stick to 40 year old narratives as the basis for that belief. Couple examples:
People have been saying for 2 days that there is a grassroots energy out there that is fueled by young, educated minorities and White Liberals. At least one White person here said there was no movement - that the Ferguson protest was just opportunistic thugs. Lo and behold, that very night there were mostly peaceful protests throughout the country made up of DIVERSE protestors, including thousands of people here in DC. That's one.
Then poeople have been saying that the old head "leaders," namely Jesse and Sharpton are not leading this grassroots energy. Yet we get "we see them on TV and at press conferences, they must be the leaders." That is the very point. The White media is keeping these guys prominent because they ARE willing to preen before the cameras. I remember the old saying "the revolution will not be televised." Means that the movement is not being driven by the "pundits" you see on TV. It is the people out in the streets and on the ground - something Jesse and Al have not done for years. They do not hold much sway with the youngsters. Which is what someone else tried to say 2 days ago.
Then of course, folks trot out MLK ignoring that he was murdered by a White man, he was VERY pointed in his criticisms about how the poor were being treated and that, late in his life, he was beginning to wonder whether a movement of passive resistance had run its course. MLK might not approve of the "rioting" but he would certainly approve of the peaceful protests and he would certainly disapprove of the SES disparities in this country.
Honestly, some of you need to get off your high horses and, if you can manage it, have an open mind about what more plugged in folks are trying to tell you.
There are SOME White people in this country who believe what they believe and they stick to 40 year old narratives as the basis for that belief. Couple examples:
People have been saying for 2 days that there is a grassroots energy out there that is fueled by young, educated minorities and White Liberals. At least one White person here said there was no movement - that the Ferguson protest was just opportunistic thugs. Lo and behold, that very night there were mostly peaceful protests throughout the country made up of DIVERSE protestors, including thousands of people here in DC. That's one.
Then poeople have been saying that the old head "leaders," namely Jesse and Sharpton are not leading this grassroots energy. Yet we get "we see them on TV and at press conferences, they must be the leaders." That is the very point. The White media is keeping these guys prominent because they ARE willing to preen before the cameras. I remember the old saying "the revolution will not be televised." Means that the movement is not being driven by the "pundits" you see on TV. It is the people out in the streets and on the ground - something Jesse and Al have not done for years. They do not hold much sway with the youngsters. Which is what someone else tried to say 2 days ago.
Then of course, folks trot out MLK ignoring that he was murdered by a White man, he was VERY pointed in his criticisms about how the poor were being treated and that, late in his life, he was beginning to wonder whether a movement of passive resistance had run its course. MLK might not approve of the "rioting" but he would certainly approve of the peaceful protests and he would certainly disapprove of the SES disparities in this country.
Honestly, some of you need to get off your high horses and, if you can manage it, have an open mind about what more plugged in folks are trying to tell you.
Anonymous
11/28/2014 11:02
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.
Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?
Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.
Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.
You do know that Mike Brown's family is not organizing and leading the protests, right? He is supporting the family on a personl level, not serving as the leader of any protest.
Actually the folks in Ferguson did say just that.
Why was Al Sharpton standing next to the parents of Michael Brown during their press conference?
You do know that Mike Brown's family is not organizing and leading the protests, right? He is supporting the family on a personl level, not serving as the leader of any protest
Anonymous
11/28/2014 11:01
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hopefully, the AA leaders that will be front and center in the next few years will not condone this looting behavior. To be honest, this behavior simply reinforces stereotypes and does nothing at all to advance the discussion. It is shameful.
Speaking of reinforcing stereotypes, one of the more prevalent stereotypes out there that just irritates the hell out of me is the notion that of that there exists some mythical black leader who speaks for all black people.
NEWSFLASH: That is some straight up bullshit. There is no office called “Black Leader.” No one was ever elected as the leader of the black people — not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton, not Oprah Winfrey, not anyone!
Black people are not monolithic. They are as diverse as any other American ethnic group. They are Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Independent. They are liberal, conservative, moderate, concerned or indifferent, rich, middle-class, and poor; and they have the same leadership as the rest of America — the President of the United States and the United States Congress. Blacks do not have separate leaders who speak for us.
Can we dispense with that dumb ass stereotype please?
Probably not. The same people Who spout on about black leaders are the same people who would scream "Gloria Steinem doesn't speak for me. All women are not the same." Or "the kkk doesn't speak for me!" It's very hypocritical and most of these peeps are blind to it.
Then WHY has no one outwardly told Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson to shut the fuck up and go home? Because last time I checked they've stood at the podium of every black race fueled case I've seen in my entire lifetime.
You do know that Mike Brown's family is not organizing and leading the protests, right? He is supporting the family on a personl level, not serving as the leader of any protest.
Actually the folks in Ferguson did say just that.
Why was Al Sharpton standing next to the parents of Michael Brown during their press conference?
Anonymous
11/26/2014 06:24
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Everything not every bring
Anonymous
11/26/2014 06:23
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait. This is ridiculous. We are getting sidetracked by a red herring here. sharp ton and Jackson do speak for some people. Not all. Regardless. The insinuation that looting and rioting is limited to Black people is absurd and offensive, as is the idea that one or two men speak to an entire black community.
Perspective is desperately needed here folks.
+1
Exactly!
When you bold an entire passage for emphasis you demonstrate that you are an idiot. Especially if you also use emoticons.
I think those are two different posters. The first PP bolded the passage and the second PP used an emoticon.
Just a quick scan through some of these threads and a pattern is apparent- constant belittling, reference to posters as "stupid" and "idiot." DCUM is a microcosm of every bring that is wrong with this country. Find me a conversation that has remained civil throughout and hasn't denigrated to name calling!
Anonymous
11/25/2014 23:04
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait. This is ridiculous. We are getting sidetracked by a red herring here. sharp ton and Jackson do speak for some people. Not all. Regardless. The insinuation that looting and rioting is limited to Black people is absurd and offensive, as is the idea that one or two men speak to an entire black community.
Perspective is desperately needed here folks.
+1
Exactly!
When you bold an entire passage for emphasis you demonstrate that you are an idiot. Especially if you also use emoticons.
I think those are two different posters. The first PP bolded the passage and the second PP used an emoticon.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 23:02
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Wait. This is ridiculous. We are getting sidetracked by a red herring here. sharp ton and Jackson do speak for some people. Not all. Regardless. The insinuation that looting and rioting is limited to Black people is absurd and offensive, as is the idea that one or two men speak to an entire black community.
Perspective is desperately needed here folks.
+1
Exactly!
When you bold an entire passage for emphasis you demonstrate that you are an idiot. Especially if you also use emoticons.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 21:45
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How am I condoning it? If not for the riots, we wouldn't have heard of Michael Brown. That's not condoning looting. That's just a fact.
Most Americans do not have an issue with protests. They have helped make great changes to our country.
You, however, ARE condoning rioting and looting. Peaceful protests are not what caused the total destruction and damage to over 25 businesses in Ferguson last night. Looting and rioting are what caused that.
If you think the Ferguson case would not have been heard of but for the rioting, then you are condoning rioting and looting.
The family of Martin Luther King Jr. and the people who participated in the marches back during the civil rights movement would take great exception to your comment.
Rioting and looting leads to nothing positive.
Since you mention Martin Luther King Jr.:
http://www.vox.com/2014/11/24/7278687/civil-rights-ferguson
Also:
http://www.gphistorical.org/mlk/mlkspeech/
It's a good speech.
But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 18:52
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm AA and it's embarrassing! As Chris Rock has said "I love my people, but I hate NI**$!S!!! They destroy their own neighborhoods..bunch of stupid, uneducated hoodlums! I say, take them out at the knees.
+1
Wanna really get back at The Man? Start going to and graduating from college in droves. That'll show them can't keep AAs down.
Let's take it one step further. Graduate from college and then actually get jobs.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 16:40
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not an AA. I have never been stopped and frisked while walking down the street. I have never been detained for something I did not do. I do not have people eying me when I walk into a store. If I have an open container, I am asked to put it away....I am not arrested first. When I did something wrong, I was told don't let it happen again.
Ask almost any AA male, there experience differs. I can only imagine the rage that builds up. No opportunities coupled with anger...what the hell?
There's no federal aid for college?
Not the poster you are quoting, but do you think federal aid pays for college? don't want to derail this thread but seriously if you haven't heard about the student debt crisis and rising costs then you might want to educate yourself before making such a bullshit statement that makes you sounds like an ignorant ass
Anonymous
11/25/2014 16:37
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I am not an AA. I have never been stopped and frisked while walking down the street. I have never been detained for something I did not do. I do not have people eying me when I walk into a store. If I have an open container, I am asked to put it away....I am not arrested first. When I did something wrong, I was told don't let it happen again.
Ask almost any AA male, there experience differs. I can only imagine the rage that builds up. No opportunities coupled with anger...what the hell?
There's no federal aid for college?
How old are you? What rock are you living under because you are totally out of touch with reality.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 16:37
Subject: Re:what is the real point of looting?
perspective people....https://storify.com/betakateenin/white-people-riots
Anonymous
11/25/2014 16:31
Subject: what is the real point of looting?
Anonymous wrote:I am not an AA. I have never been stopped and frisked while walking down the street. I have never been detained for something I did not do. I do not have people eying me when I walk into a store. If I have an open container, I am asked to put it away....I am not arrested first. When I did something wrong, I was told don't let it happen again.
Ask almost any AA male, there experience differs. I can only imagine the rage that builds up. No opportunities coupled with anger...what the hell?
There's no federal aid for college?