Anonymous
12/05/2014 05:25
Subject: Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I found this to be a thoughtful and credible discussion about several issues:
http://jezebel.com/law-and-justice-arent-the-same-interview-with-a-uva-ra-1662629605
Great article. This part sticks out:
"Right. Like to have sex with someone that has never expressed any sexual interest in you and that you personally got so drunk as to require medical attention—like that's just part of college.
Yeah. He genuinely believed that, and so did all of those guys. He was honestly an average dude. Bro McBroster. They all thought it was okay. And as much as I love UVA, that's really part of the foundational culture—the capacity to sustain a deep lie. The whole school venerates Thomas Jefferson, the man who said all men are created equal but also owned slaves.
I understand the capacity of people to lie to themselves. I've done it. I denied what happened to me in high school for years. And everyone at UVA is smart. They are smart kids, smart people. They entered a good university with a frat culture where you're told, "You get girls drunk and then you can fuck them and that's what we all do.""
There's also the part about things like this being a problem with college culture across the board, not just at UVA.
And you know this how? Such BS. You obviously never went there and you are making sweeping generalizations. I went there. NEVER heard that.
Anonymous
12/05/2014 05:21
Subject: Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
^^Additionally, the person being blamed for "condoning rape" by not doing enough (the university president) is from the midwest. Are you going to blame the midwest too?
Anonymous
12/05/2014 05:16
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:I'm also appalled by the behavior of the young men, the school officials, and the culture at this school that not only allows, but seems to encourage these things to happen by not punishing rapists and creating a culture of fear.
I went to a Big Ten school in the midwest in the 90s with a large greek system. I pretty much stayed out of it, but I went to a few parties. I also remember that in the first week of freshman year there was required group counseling on rape - how to choose situations to avoid it, how to take care of yourself if you are a victim, how to help a friend who is raped, etc. This include specific resources both at the school and in the community (local rape hotlines, police info, etc.). Does this happen at UVA?
I am also in the military where there is a huge rape problem as well that is not dealt with well. Women are still blamed for rape if they are brave enough to report it at all (there's only lip service support from higher ups). I see a parallel here in that both colleges and the military need to have rape prosecuted by outside sources. Both have proven that they cannot prosecute rape effectively from within.
I absolutely think there is a "top-down" aspect to all of this where if leaders of college universities are not actively prosecuting and trying to prevent rape, it will keep happening on an epidemic level. Also, young men need to be taught that young women are people too. There is an issue in southern cultures where men feel that women need to be protected, coddled, etc. that ironically can lead to the rape culture because women aren't viewed as people with rights, minds, and power. And the university leaders are obviously condoning this attitude.
Many of the alleged rapists were not from the south. Stop blaming the south for the ills of the world.
Anonymous
12/05/2014 01:13
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting the jezebel article.
Jezebel article was just disgusting all around. Disgusting women, disgusting men. Seriously, people like that deserve each other and the total mess they make of their own and each other's lives.
I thought the women in the Jezebel article came off very well, actually. Particularly in comparison to the victim's friends in the Rolling Stone article, who doubted her and made her doubt herself. Can you please explain what behavior by any of the women in the Jezebel article you found disgusting?
Anonymous
12/05/2014 00:15
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Thanks for posting the jezebel article.
Jezebel article was just disgusting all around. Disgusting women, disgusting men. Seriously, people like that deserve each other and the total mess they make of their own and each other's lives.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 23:30
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Thanks for posting the jezebel article.
Anonymous
12/04/2014 23:10
Subject: Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:I found this to be a thoughtful and credible discussion about several issues:
http://jezebel.com/law-and-justice-arent-the-same-interview-with-a-uva-ra-1662629605
Great article. This part sticks out:
"Right. Like to have sex with someone that has never expressed any sexual interest in you and that you personally got so drunk as to require medical attention—like that's just part of college.
Yeah. He genuinely believed that, and so did all of those guys. He was honestly an average dude. Bro McBroster. They all thought it was okay. And as much as I love UVA, that's really part of the foundational culture—the capacity to sustain a deep lie. The whole school venerates Thomas Jefferson, the man who said all men are created equal but also owned slaves.
I understand the capacity of people to lie to themselves. I've done it. I denied what happened to me in high school for years. And everyone at UVA is smart. They are smart kids, smart people. They entered a good university with a frat culture where you're told, "You get girls drunk and then you can fuck them and that's what we all do.""
There's also the part about things like this being a problem with college culture across the board, not just at UVA.
Anonymous
12/03/2014 00:02
Subject: Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
UVA = PENN STATE
Anonymous
11/29/2014 00:54
Subject: Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Years down the road, will any of these 7 rapists even have any sense of guilt or acknowledgement that they are in fact rapists. Imagine having that fact about you: I am a rapist. Will any of them make amends in some way?
I truly believe that what goes around will come around. If not a rapist, but their children will pay the price of their wrongdoing.
Anonymous
11/29/2014 00:41
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rape is clearly condoned at this school. It would be easier for everybody if they just came out and admitted that.
You are absolutely crazy! Tired of your rants. Can you please stop drinking during the day?
An overstatement perhaps by PP. Watch the Nicole Eramo interview on WAVU from a few weeks ago and you might need a drink yourself.
Just watched that interview , sick to my stomach. Eramo should be prosecuted.
Anonymous
11/29/2014 00:34
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Why is the dean and counselor not getting charged with aiding and abetting the crime. They helped to cover up rape, they delayed victim's reporting to police and helping the evidence of rape to disappear (like bruises, vaginal trauma). Shouldn't they be held responsible? I think firing them is not enough. Make them go through a fraction of a nightmare that the rape victims went through.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 14:07
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rape is clearly condoned at this school. It would be easier for everybody if they just came out and admitted that.
You are absolutely crazy! Tired of your rants. Can you please stop drinking during the day?
An overstatement perhaps by PP. Watch the Nicole Eramo interview on WAVU from a few weeks ago and you might need a drink yourself.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 12:49
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
I'm also appalled by the behavior of the young men, the school officials, and the culture at this school that not only allows, but seems to encourage these things to happen by not punishing rapists and creating a culture of fear.
I went to a Big Ten school in the midwest in the 90s with a large greek system. I pretty much stayed out of it, but I went to a few parties. I also remember that in the first week of freshman year there was required group counseling on rape - how to choose situations to avoid it, how to take care of yourself if you are a victim, how to help a friend who is raped, etc. This include specific resources both at the school and in the community (local rape hotlines, police info, etc.). Does this happen at UVA?
I am also in the military where there is a huge rape problem as well that is not dealt with well. Women are still blamed for rape if they are brave enough to report it at all (there's only lip service support from higher ups). I see a parallel here in that both colleges and the military need to have rape prosecuted by outside sources. Both have proven that they cannot prosecute rape effectively from within.
I absolutely think there is a "top-down" aspect to all of this where if leaders of college universities are not actively prosecuting and trying to prevent rape, it will keep happening on an epidemic level. Also, young men need to be taught that young women are people too. There is an issue in southern cultures where men feel that women need to be protected, coddled, etc. that ironically can lead to the rape culture because women aren't viewed as people with rights, minds, and power. And the university leaders are obviously condoning this attitude.
I went to a Big Ten school in the midwest in the 90s with a large greek system. I pretty much stayed out of it, but I went to a few parties. I also remember that in the first week of freshman year there was required group counseling on rape - how to choose situations to avoid it, how to take care of yourself if you are a victim, how to help a friend who is raped, etc. This include specific resources both at the school and in the community (local rape hotlines, police info, etc.). Does this happen at UVA?
I am also in the military where there is a huge rape problem as well that is not dealt with well. Women are still blamed for rape if they are brave enough to report it at all (there's only lip service support from higher ups). I see a parallel here in that both colleges and the military need to have rape prosecuted by outside sources. Both have proven that they cannot prosecute rape effectively from within.
I absolutely think there is a "top-down" aspect to all of this where if leaders of college universities are not actively prosecuting and trying to prevent rape, it will keep happening on an epidemic level. Also, young men need to be taught that young women are people too. There is an issue in southern cultures where men feel that women need to be protected, coddled, etc. that ironically can lead to the rape culture because women aren't viewed as people with rights, minds, and power. And the university leaders are obviously condoning this attitude.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 12:23
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rape is clearly condoned at this school. It would be easier for everybody if they just came out and admitted that.
You are absolutely crazy! Tired of your rants. Can you please stop drinking during the day?
You're in the minority on this one. Pp isn't crazy. But thanks for piping in from rugby row.
Anonymous
11/25/2014 12:23
Subject: Re:Rolling Stone Article - Sexual Assault at UVA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Rape is clearly condoned at this school. It would be easier for everybody if they just came out and admitted that.
You are absolutely crazy! Tired of your rants. Can you please stop drinking during the day?
Not PP but when you admit to rape they give you a semester vacation. How is that not condoning rape?