Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 20:02     Subject: Re:Official Ebola update thread
Everyone should stop blaming the second nurse. She did the best she could with the limited recourses she had. She did not have the Hazmat suits they have at Emory with the little fans that keep them cool. She was not quarantined. Her travel should have been restricted the SAME as travel should be restricted for people coming from West Africa a HOT ZONE where Ebola is everywhere. The blames lies with Mr. Duncan, the CDC, The WHO, and Obama.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:51     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:Nina Pham has a go fund me. It says all of her possessions were destroyed. Also her friend on CNN said she had been wearing a full hazmat suit while treating Duncan.

http://www.gofundme.com/fsqtbo


Hang on -- there have been no media reports of Nina's possessions being destroyed. I think this may be fake fundraising.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:48     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html


I thought this was damn near impossible to get...at least according to the CDC.


Because they are nurses dealing with bodily fluids from an actively dying person with Ebola. The closer to desth the higher the viral load. If it was that easy to get his family would be infected by now. Which they aren't.


All of the reports specify that these nurses had contact with Duncan "early" in his hospital stay, not at the end.


Pham helped Duncan during his second visit to the hospital, I don't know about the other nurse with Ebola.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:42     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It seems that she had the symptoms after the flight, not before. So, if she is telling the truth, then she didn't have a fever and then hop on a plane to get back home. But, still, she shouldn't have been on planes in the first place, right? I thought the ones who were around Duncan were supposed to be careful.

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-diagnosed-in-second-dallas-nurse-105542930.html


I thought this was damn near impossible to get...at least according to the CDC.


Because they are nurses dealing with bodily fluids from an actively dying person with Ebola. The closer to desth the higher the viral load. If it was that easy to get his family would be infected by now. Which they aren't.


All of the reports specify that these nurses had contact with Duncan "early" in his hospital stay, not at the end.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:14     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
What are Kent Brantley, Nancy Whitebold, and the dr. from Nebraska up to? I imagine they are still recovering, though it seems like they are up and about. They honestly should be hired by the CDC as consultants -- I think they were all with Drs. w/o Borders and while they got sick, they got sick after taking hundreds of patients, so they know what precautions do and don't work as compared to the CDC which is functioning in an "academic" environment and has only seen a few cases in the US compared to the hundreds seen by these 3.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:13     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:Changing story by the CDC -- apparently Amber Vinson called the CDC BEFORE getting on the plane to say she had a 99.5 fever and they were the ones who said she was ok to fly. WTF!? I hope they get dragged through the mud just like Amber; she shouldn't have flown out to CLE but shouldn't the CDC have told her to stay put once she was there with a fever??

And apparently she is going to Emory because Tx Presby is facing a threat of nurses walking out the door if they have to treat another patient -- probably given everything that went wrong the first time.


Wow!!
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:11     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Can't believe the incompetence of Tx Presby -- in the first 3 days, nurses didn't have proper PPE, their necks were exposed, so they were wrapping surgical tape around their necks which they'd take off on their own afterwards. And while they were given face shields and masks, certain supervisors said masks weren't necessary!? Clusterf---.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:09     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Changing story by the CDC -- apparently Amber Vinson called the CDC BEFORE getting on the plane to say she had a 99.5 fever and they were the ones who said she was ok to fly. WTF!? I hope they get dragged through the mud just like Amber; she shouldn't have flown out to CLE but shouldn't the CDC have told her to stay put once she was there with a fever??

And apparently she is going to Emory because Tx Presby is facing a threat of nurses walking out the door if they have to treat another patient -- probably given everything that went wrong the first time.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:07     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 2nd nurse called the CDC hotline to report a 99.5 fever, but they considered her non-high risk because she was below the official 100.4.


When was this? The Tx hospital obviously did things wrong but the CDC is now part of the problem. For anyone who has directly treated a patient and they have a fever -- who cares if it's 98.9 or 100.9 -- why not isolate and test them? I get the feeling she is sicker than we're being told/than maybe she is telling. Maybe she had a fever for a whole day or 2 while in Akron but kept it quiet because she wanted to get back to Dallas? Maybe she thought she was getting sick but once the CDC said -- nah, call us if you hit 100.4, she thought she was fine to travel and carry on her business.

Sounds like she may be sicker than Nina Phan just based on how quick a decision has been made to transfer her to Emory. Sure maybe she or her family demanded the transfer -- knowing the incompetence at that hospital, but I'm surprised Nina and her family haven't demanded it -- and with Nina even though it's been days, they're still saying "we're considering it" -- as if debating whether she really even needs a transfer or if she's on the mend already.


CBS news this evening had a story about it.


which was.....
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 19:00     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Think she deserves some of the good samaritan's blood? (if she's the same blood type?)


Of course! We don't deny life saving treatment because we think someone made a poor choice esp. Since the CDC didn't tell her to not travel when she called to report a fever.


Of course she deserves it if she's a match. I hope that at some point she will apologize for her poor choices, but you know what -- CDC effed up by not telling her to stay put and also if it pushed her off when she called with a fever and Tx Presby messed up with its general lack of preparedness, equipment, and help or support for these nurses. But for the CDC and Tx Presby, she may not even be in this situation at all.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 18:57     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The 2nd nurse called the CDC hotline to report a 99.5 fever, but they considered her non-high risk because she was below the official 100.4.


When was this? The Tx hospital obviously did things wrong but the CDC is now part of the problem. For anyone who has directly treated a patient and they have a fever -- who cares if it's 98.9 or 100.9 -- why not isolate and test them? I get the feeling she is sicker than we're being told/than maybe she is telling. Maybe she had a fever for a whole day or 2 while in Akron but kept it quiet because she wanted to get back to Dallas? Maybe she thought she was getting sick but once the CDC said -- nah, call us if you hit 100.4, she thought she was fine to travel and carry on her business.

Sounds like she may be sicker than Nina Phan just based on how quick a decision has been made to transfer her to Emory. Sure maybe she or her family demanded the transfer -- knowing the incompetence at that hospital, but I'm surprised Nina and her family haven't demanded it -- and with Nina even though it's been days, they're still saying "we're considering it" -- as if debating whether she really even needs a transfer or if she's on the mend already.


CBS news this evening had a story about it.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 18:55     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:The 2nd nurse called the CDC hotline to report a 99.5 fever, but they considered her non-high risk because she was below the official 100.4.


When was this? The Tx hospital obviously did things wrong but the CDC is now part of the problem. For anyone who has directly treated a patient and they have a fever -- who cares if it's 98.9 or 100.9 -- why not isolate and test them? I get the feeling she is sicker than we're being told/than maybe she is telling. Maybe she had a fever for a whole day or 2 while in Akron but kept it quiet because she wanted to get back to Dallas? Maybe she thought she was getting sick but once the CDC said -- nah, call us if you hit 100.4, she thought she was fine to travel and carry on her business.

Sounds like she may be sicker than Nina Phan just based on how quick a decision has been made to transfer her to Emory. Sure maybe she or her family demanded the transfer -- knowing the incompetence at that hospital, but I'm surprised Nina and her family haven't demanded it -- and with Nina even though it's been days, they're still saying "we're considering it" -- as if debating whether she really even needs a transfer or if she's on the mend already.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 18:47     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Anonymous wrote:Think she deserves some of the good samaritan's blood? (if she's the same blood type?)


Of course! We don't deny life saving treatment because we think someone made a poor choice esp. Since the CDC didn't tell her to not travel when she called to report a fever.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 18:45     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
The 2nd nurse called the CDC hotline to report a 99.5 fever, but they considered her non-high risk because she was below the official 100.4.
Anonymous
Post 10/15/2014 18:40     Subject: Official Ebola update thread
Think she deserves some of the good samaritan's blood? (if she's the same blood type?)