Muslima
Post 08/10/2014 22:30     Subject: Re:S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

The one about Violence

Muslima
Post 08/10/2014 22:22     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:Muslima, are you Sunni or Shia?


Sunni (Btw , about 90% of Muslims in the world are Sunni)
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 22:14     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?



They always do it and have always done it. Get off of mainstream media and you will find them. All the scholars/mosques that I know and have been to have denounced extremism and have begged Muslims to return to the right path and be united. I have watched a scholar cry begging for the unity of the ummah



unity?

Where are the women?
Muslima
Post 08/10/2014 22:01     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:
Muslima wrote:Whatever the case, the Muslim world is completely different. The dark ages in which the Muslim world now finds itself are not a result of increased religiosity, or religious adherence, but rather of decreased adherence and religiosity. That social dynamic has bred religious ignorance so that anything can now be passed off as religion if you have a long-enough beard.The Muslim world right now, is going through some kind of renaissance. There are many competing ideologies, and in time one will emerge to recapture the enlightenment of the past. The Qur'an certainly has not lost its influence on human development. Rather it now has the capacity to be more positively influential than ever.The Qur'an does not need to be 'retooled into a more progressive mindset'. It is a progressive mindset. The early Muslims were progressive people. Real Muslim scholars continue to be.The Qur'an therefore, is not only relevant to the modern world, but will always be. It enunciates prinicples of guidance for humanity. Humanity does not change, though the manifestation of the human condition does. Essentially, the problems are always the same, even if the symptoms become more complex.

Ma salaama (with peace)

While it makes a lot of sense, I have never seen this opinion in print or in the media. What would happen to an Islamic scholar if he publicly denounced extremism and called for returning to the humanistic roots of Islam?


They always do it and have always done it. Get off of mainstream media and you will find them. All the scholars/mosques that I know and have been to have denounced extremism and have begged Muslims to return to the right path and be united. I have watched a scholar cry begging for the unity of the ummah

Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 15:05     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

broken record (for those old enough to remember what a record is)

Allah!

Muslima wrote:Well, you're the one equating burqas to oppression.......Haven't you heard? Allah is enough for me As Muslim women, we have been liberated from this silent bondage. We don't need society's standard of beauty or fashion, to define our worth. We don't need to become just like men to be honored, and we don't need to wait for a prince to save or complete us. Our worth, our honor, our salvation, and our completion lie not in the slave. But, in the Lord of the slave. Praise be to Allah, the cherisher and sustainer of the worlds ~
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 14:56     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Muslima wrote:
Anonymous wrote:NP here. Some of the things about Islam that makes me believe it was just made up by some guy and not really from god, is:

The rules are so silly. Why should you need to clean your feet and stuff before you pray. Why would a real god care whether your feet were clean?

If it came from god, who should be all knowing, why would he command Mohammad to marry Aisha when he was in his 50's and she was 6, and consummate the marriage when she was just 9? If he's an all knowing god, he would know how terrible child marriage is for the girl. But, since he had Mohammad do it, it's pretty much a given that we will never be able to bring that practice to an end in Muslim countries.

The whole story about how Muhammad had a revelation that adoption was not allowed anymore in Islam, which then allowed him to marry his adopted son's beautiful wife, seems a bit telling to me.

I would like to think that if god picked a messenger, he would not have that messenger slaughter entire tribes of jews, and take their women and children as slaves.

Muhammad limited muslim men to taking 4 wives, but he was allowed to take as many wives and sex slaves as he wanted.

I personally don't follow any religion, although I've studied many of them. They all seem so silly to me. I don't know if there is a god or not, but if there is, I would like to think he would be better than he is depicted in the religions I have looked into.


Your post is Full of misinformation, so full of it that I don't even have time to correct them! Adoption is very well allowed in Islam, what is not allowed is to change the adoptee's last name, they have to still cary their father's name!



Who's your daddy then? What if the father is unknown?

And of course - in a paternalistic society - this WOULD be the case.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 12:25     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Muslima, are you Sunni or Shia?
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 12:18     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Muslima wrote:Whatever the case, the Muslim world is completely different. The dark ages in which the Muslim world now finds itself are not a result of increased religiosity, or religious adherence, but rather of decreased adherence and religiosity. That social dynamic has bred religious ignorance so that anything can now be passed off as religion if you have a long-enough beard.The Muslim world right now, is going through some kind of renaissance. There are many competing ideologies, and in time one will emerge to recapture the enlightenment of the past. The Qur'an certainly has not lost its influence on human development. Rather it now has the capacity to be more positively influential than ever.The Qur'an does not need to be 'retooled into a more progressive mindset'. It is a progressive mindset. The early Muslims were progressive people. Real Muslim scholars continue to be.The Qur'an therefore, is not only relevant to the modern world, but will always be. It enunciates prinicples of guidance for humanity. Humanity does not change, though the manifestation of the human condition does. Essentially, the problems are always the same, even if the symptoms become more complex.

Ma salaama (with peace)

While it makes a lot of sense, I have never seen this opinion in print or in the media. What would happen to an Islamic scholar if he publicly denounced extremism and called for returning to the humanistic roots of Islam?
Muslima
Post 08/10/2014 10:28     Subject: Re:S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Muslima,

Turn on CNN an watch the coverage of ISIS. Please report back with your thoughts.

Thanks.


So terrible, did you see the news report that ISIS is using a square in Iraq to kill non-muslim men, and decapitate their children (their CHILDREN) and they are mounting the children's heads on sticks in the square.

How utterly and completely evil. How could anyone do that to children??


Terrible. Not defending them but maybe this is more about war and the leaders are manipulating others by misusing religion to carry out their crimes -- using religion like the way Hitler used propaganda to get others to support his efforts to exterminate Jews. In war, there are no rules and evil people commit atrocities against innocent civilians.


It is much easier to condemn Islam and 'oppressive Muslim men' than to unpack the intricate relationships between global politics related to empire building and capitalist expansion as well as regional and national struggles revolving around political and economic power and resources. As a Muslim woman living in America, I have seen it & heard it all, so I am totally desensitized to the insults directly at me or Islam. As far as people insulting the Prophet Muhammad saw & Islam, well People physically assaulted him during his life, people threw stones at him, they threw dirty intestines on him whilst he was praying, they threw their dirty garbage on him, they abused him, they killed his loved ones, poisoned his food, ridiculed him, laughed at him.However, although they hurt him, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) looked beyond his own wounds and forgave them, replying when asked whether to destroy them‘No, do not destroy them, for I hope that Allah will bring out of their offspring people who worship Him alone without associating any partner with Him in worship." What a beautiful excellent response, look at the humiliy, the control. This is the man's values that I follow, and he taught me better than that.

The honor of our messenger saw, the nobility, the respect, the love of our messenger, the status of our messenger saw is not something we give him; it's not something that comes from human beings. It came from the sky. It came from Allah. Nobody on the earth can take it away.. The Quran has come from the sky. People can burn copies of it, people can make fun of it, people can make pieces of it; it will not insult the Quran; because the Quran is in Laohe Mahfudh ( the preserved tablet in the 7th heaven). It can not be insulted. It is above these insults.

Allah azzawajal took the most insulting things that were said about prophet saw and gave the most intellectual responses in the Quran. This is our religion. Two thirds of the Quran is a conversation with the people who didn’t even believe in it. What was prophet saw doing? Reciting it to people who don’t even believe. And they were insulting it back, criticizing it back; and there was a discussion happening!

May Allah educate ourselves, our family, our entire Ummah, the way it suppose to be educated. May Allah lift the Ummah from the darkness that it suffers from. May Allah make us of those who can speak the word of truth courageously and be able to engage with each other in civil, respectful disagreement when the time comes. And may Allah make us of those who truly represent the beauty of this Deen to their neighbors and to the world around us.

Ma Salaama (Peace) !
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 10:14     Subject: Re:S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Mohammed married a 10 year old child and consummated the marriage.

Mohammed bought, owned and sold slaves.

Mohammed had seizures and was probably an epileptic.

Mohammed ordered the torture of a Jewish rabbi.

Mohammed executed Jewish prisoners.

Islam is not compatible with Western values.
Muslima
Post 08/10/2014 10:04     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:NP here. Some of the things about Islam that makes me believe it was just made up by some guy and not really from god, is:

The rules are so silly. Why should you need to clean your feet and stuff before you pray. Why would a real god care whether your feet were clean?

If it came from god, who should be all knowing, why would he command Mohammad to marry Aisha when he was in his 50's and she was 6, and consummate the marriage when she was just 9? If he's an all knowing god, he would know how terrible child marriage is for the girl. But, since he had Mohammad do it, it's pretty much a given that we will never be able to bring that practice to an end in Muslim countries.

The whole story about how Muhammad had a revelation that adoption was not allowed anymore in Islam, which then allowed him to marry his adopted son's beautiful wife, seems a bit telling to me.

I would like to think that if god picked a messenger, he would not have that messenger slaughter entire tribes of jews, and take their women and children as slaves.

Muhammad limited muslim men to taking 4 wives, but he was allowed to take as many wives and sex slaves as he wanted.

I personally don't follow any religion, although I've studied many of them. They all seem so silly to me. I don't know if there is a god or not, but if there is, I would like to think he would be better than he is depicted in the religions I have looked into.


Your post is Full of misinformation, so full of it that I don't even have time to correct them! Adoption is very well allowed in Islam, what is not allowed is to change the adoptee's last name, they have to still cary their father's name!
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 08:21     Subject: Re:S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Muslima,

Turn on CNN an watch the coverage of ISIS. Please report back with your thoughts.

Thanks.


So terrible, did you see the news report that ISIS is using a square in Iraq to kill non-muslim men, and decapitate their children (their CHILDREN) and they are mounting the children's heads on sticks in the square.

How utterly and completely evil. How could anyone do that to children??


Terrible. Not defending them but maybe this is more about war and the leaders are manipulating others by misusing religion to carry out their crimes -- using religion like the way Hitler used propaganda to get others to support his efforts to exterminate Jews. In war, there are no rules and evil people commit atrocities against innocent civilians.
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 08:14     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Islam is the most violent, inhumane and corrupt of all religions-it is downright evil! The q'uran is a book written by an evil, misguided man-a sick and twisted MAN!
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 06:57     Subject: Re:S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

Anonymous wrote:Muslima,

Turn on CNN an watch the coverage of ISIS. Please report back with your thoughts.

Thanks.


So terrible, did you see the news report that ISIS is using a square in Iraq to kill non-muslim men, and decapitate their children (their CHILDREN) and they are mounting the children's heads on sticks in the square.

How utterly and completely evil. How could anyone do that to children??
Anonymous
Post 08/10/2014 06:55     Subject: S/O Let's just talk about Islamic headscarves/hijabs/abayas here, shall we?

NP here. Some of the things about Islam that makes me believe it was just made up by some guy and not really from god, is:

The rules are so silly. Why should you need to clean your feet and stuff before you pray. Why would a real god care whether your feet were clean?

If it came from god, who should be all knowing, why would he command Mohammad to marry Aisha when he was in his 50's and she was 6, and consummate the marriage when she was just 9? If he's an all knowing god, he would know how terrible child marriage is for the girl. But, since he had Mohammad do it, it's pretty much a given that we will never be able to bring that practice to an end in Muslim countries.

The whole story about how Muhammad had a revelation that adoption was not allowed anymore in Islam, which then allowed him to marry his adopted son's beautiful wife, seems a bit telling to me.

I would like to think that if god picked a messenger, he would not have that messenger slaughter entire tribes of jews, and take their women and children as slaves.

Muhammad limited muslim men to taking 4 wives, but he was allowed to take as many wives and sex slaves as he wanted.

I personally don't follow any religion, although I've studied many of them. They all seem so silly to me. I don't know if there is a god or not, but if there is, I would like to think he would be better than he is depicted in the religions I have looked into.