Anonymous wrote:GIVE THEM THEIR LAND BACK. THIS LAND BELONGS TO PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:GIVE THEM THEIR LAND BACK. THIS LAND BELONGS TO PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GIVE THEM DC BACK THE LAND BELONGS TO THE PISCATAWAY INDIAN NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!
GIVE THEM THERE LAND BACK!!!!! IT WAS THEIRS BEFORE THE ROMANS STOLE IT!!!!!!!!!!!

How about, both sides renounce violence, accept that the both sides will remain, and learn to live together?

GIVE THEM THEIR LAND BACK. THIS LAND BELONGS TO PALESTINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous wrote:A thank you letter from Hamas to the Media (it should also include DCUM commenters too).

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5114/a_thank_you_letter_from_hamas_to_the_media

The one thing that has always troubled me is the tenets about Jewish destruction. This doesn't just include just the Jews in the Israeli/Palestinean conflict but my next door neighbor, my son's college roommate, my old college professor who gave me an appreciation of art, even the Jews who support ending the oppression in Gaza.

Who's next?

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PP, please list for me the democracies in the middle east?

Iran is closer than Israel. Israel is not a western country and does not share the values of the west.

You keep saying that but have no support for it.

Israel is a democracy. It has open elections. There are arabs, muslims and christians serving in government. It has freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Women are free and equal, gays have rights and can serve in the military. It has freedom of commerce, investment in education, a free market.

What are the "western values" it does not share?

Democracy like pre-Civil Rights U.S. maybe. Separate housing, separate security standards, illegal housing in the West Bank. As far as freedom of the press, it blocked an Israeli radio station from running an ad from a local human rights group B’Tselem, that named hundreds of the dead Palestinian children. Muslims and Jews can't intermarry. Schools are segregated by language the way our schools used to be segregated by race, and Arabic schools are significantly inferior, even though they are government run. You can't have equal rights in a religious state. You just can't.

Israel is in a fight for survival against a terrorist state. Every building and person in Gaza is fair game. Gazan people wanted this. They will see their country destroyed. Israel should not stop destroying every square inch of the wretched Gaza Strip until Hamas begs for mercy (and even then, kill all of the Hamas terrorists).

Anonymous wrote:Israel should respond to every rocket attack with a devastating artillery barrage. Keep killing the Palestinians until they quit or are all dead.

And for what purpose should Israel kill every last Palestinian as you advocate ?

To have a country made up exclusively of people of one religion and one ethnicity…. ICK . The world has seen evil people advocate for this before. They were called NAZIs

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say our recent wave of Latino immigrants (including illegals) got tons of money and weapons from a viable government like Spain. These immigrants start to "settle" in places like Bethesda and Mclean. They force you out of your homes, destroy your schools, block major roads so you cannot go to work, school, the hospital or to get groceries. They make your daily life impossible and oppress you to the point of desperation. Would you fight back? or would you leave and let them take over-This is what the Israeli's are doing. And before you say that historically the land belonged to the Israeli's/Jews-think that historically the USA belonged to Native and South Americans.

But do the immigrants in your hyopthetical have a duly-recognized carved-out nation-state "in places like Bethesda and McLean"? I don't quite follow what you are saying. The hypothetical behavior you raise sounds like a law enforcement matter. That is correct about the US belonging to others, though. If people followed the logic of their positions (on either side) they would cede their property in Bethesda, McLean, or wherever to the rightful original owners and move back to wherever they are from. Somehow I don't think that will be happening any time soon, though.

Yes, if only Palestinians in 1948 had a viable law enforcement power to stop Israeli land grabs! Israel has started to expand IMMEDIATELY from the borders of the nation-state carved out by the duly recognized powers. Look at the 1948 map and look at today's map. See how much was stolen.

Also, the "duly recognized nation-state" covers never said Israel had to expel half a million Palestinians to make that nation-state happen.

Though many Arabs/Palestinians lived there, they were never a sovereign nation. It was run by the British after the Ottoman empire and for better or for worse, the British could do with it what they wanted and decided to create Israel. The Jews certainly werent going to turn that down.

The land was initially divided into 2 states: 23% jewish and 77% arab, but the arabs in 1948 did not want the Jews to have any state, so they attacked and (against all odds), the Jews won and drew their borders (as all countries do after winning a war started against them.

While Arabs may have lived there before 1948, they were never sovereign over the land.

The rules of modern warfare exclude the possibility of acquiring land by military conflict, just like they exclude attacking civilians (but that never applied to Israel, did it). Was Israel attacked by half a million Palestinians it expelled from the lands it wanted to have? Israel didn't just draw new borders, although that alone was bad enough. It also negated all property rights of those who lived in the lands they acquired by warfare. So first, you get thrown out of your house. And then the people who did it pass the law that says your house isn't yours anymore. Very civilized!

Israel recognizes property claims pre-1948 from Jews but not from Arabs. Look up the absentee owner laws.

A thank you letter from Hamas to the Media (it should also include DCUM commenters too).

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5114/a_thank_you_letter_from_hamas_to_the_media

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Anonymous

PP, please list for me the democracies in the middle east?

Iran is closer than Israel. Israel is not a western country and does not share the values of the west.

You keep saying that but have no support for it.

Israel is a democracy. It has open elections. There are arabs, muslims and christians serving in government. It has freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Women are free and equal, gays have rights and can serve in the military. It has freedom of commerce, investment in education, a free market.

What are the "western values" it does not share?

Don't be ridiculous. Israel lords over the population of West Bank and Gaza without extending to them citizenship rights. Israeli Arabs are severely discriminated against, in public service, in employment opportunities, in municipal services in Arab-dominated neighborhoods, in marriage, in spending per pupil in Arabic schools, in property rights. Israeli Jews can reclaim properties they owned prior to 1948 and Israeli Arabs cannot. Israel privileges one group for immigration purposes vs. all others. Israel doesn't have freedom of speech - may you want to look up Gideon Levy? Israel has banned its reporters from visiting Gaza for the last 8 years. Torture and administrative detention for up to 6 months without trial is legal in Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say our recent wave of Latino immigrants (including illegals) got tons of money and weapons from a viable government like Spain. These immigrants start to "settle" in places like Bethesda and Mclean. They force you out of your homes, destroy your schools, block major roads so you cannot go to work, school, the hospital or to get groceries. They make your daily life impossible and oppress you to the point of desperation. Would you fight back? or would you leave and let them take over-This is what the Israeli's are doing. And before you say that historically the land belonged to the Israeli's/Jews-think that historically the USA belonged to Native and South Americans.

But do the immigrants in your hyopthetical have a duly-recognized carved-out nation-state "in places like Bethesda and McLean"? I don't quite follow what you are saying. The hypothetical behavior you raise sounds like a law enforcement matter. That is correct about the US belonging to others, though. If people followed the logic of their positions (on either side) they would cede their property in Bethesda, McLean, or wherever to the rightful original owners and move back to wherever they are from. Somehow I don't think that will be happening any time soon, though.

Yes, if only Palestinians in 1948 had a viable law enforcement power to stop Israeli land grabs! Israel has started to expand IMMEDIATELY from the borders of the nation-state carved out by the duly recognized powers. Look at the 1948 map and look at today's map. See how much was stolen.

Also, the "duly recognized nation-state" covers never said Israel had to expel half a million Palestinians to make that nation-state happen.

Though many Arabs/Palestinians lived there, they were never a sovereign nation. It was run by the British after the Ottoman empire and for better or for worse, the British could do with it what they wanted and decided to create Israel. The Jews certainly werent going to turn that down.

The land was initially divided into 2 states: 23% jewish and 77% arab, but the arabs in 1948 did not want the Jews to have any state, so they attacked and (against all odds), the Jews won and drew their borders (as all countries do after winning a war started against them.

While Arabs may have lived there before 1948, they were never sovereign over the land.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's say our recent wave of Latino immigrants (including illegals) got tons of money and weapons from a viable government like Spain. These immigrants start to "settle" in places like Bethesda and Mclean. They force you out of your homes, destroy your schools, block major roads so you cannot go to work, school, the hospital or to get groceries. They make your daily life impossible and oppress you to the point of desperation. Would you fight back? or would you leave and let them take over-This is what the Israeli's are doing. And before you say that historically the land belonged to the Israeli's/Jews-think that historically the USA belonged to Native and South Americans.

But do the immigrants in your hyopthetical have a duly-recognized carved-out nation-state "in places like Bethesda and McLean"? I don't quite follow what you are saying. The hypothetical behavior you raise sounds like a law enforcement matter. That is correct about the US belonging to others, though. If people followed the logic of their positions (on either side) they would cede their property in Bethesda, McLean, or wherever to the rightful original owners and move back to wherever they are from. Somehow I don't think that will be happening any time soon, though.

Yes, if only Palestinians in 1948 had a viable law enforcement power to stop Israeli land grabs! Israel has started to expand IMMEDIATELY from the borders of the nation-state carved out by the duly recognized powers. Look at the 1948 map and look at today's map. See how much was stolen.

Also, the "duly recognized nation-state" covers never said Israel had to expel half a million Palestinians to make that nation-state happen.

Anonymous wrote:Let's say our recent wave of Latino immigrants (including illegals) got tons of money and weapons from a viable government like Spain. These immigrants start to "settle" in places like Bethesda and Mclean. They force you out of your homes, destroy your schools, block major roads so you cannot go to work, school, the hospital or to get groceries. They make your daily life impossible and oppress you to the point of desperation. Would you fight back? or would you leave and let them take over-This is what the Israeli's are doing. And before you say that historically the land belonged to the Israeli's/Jews-think that historically the USA belonged to Native and South Americans.

But do the immigrants in your hyopthetical have a duly-recognized carved-out nation-state "in places like Bethesda and McLean"? I don't quite follow what you are saying. The hypothetical behavior you raise sounds like a law enforcement matter. That is correct about the US belonging to others, though. If people followed the logic of their positions (on either side) they would cede their property in Bethesda, McLean, or wherever to the rightful original owners and move back to wherever they are from. Somehow I don't think that will be happening any time soon, though.

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Anonymous

PP, please list for me the democracies in the middle east?

Iran is closer than Israel. Israel is not a western country and does not share the values of the west.

You keep saying that but have no support for it.

Israel is a democracy. It has open elections. There are arabs, muslims and christians serving in government. It has freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Women are free and equal, gays have rights and can serve in the military. It has freedom of commerce, investment in education, a free market.

What are the "western values" it does not share?

The prior poster (Iran is more of a democracy than Israel) is obviously just trying to stir up the pot. This is by far one of the most absurd statements I have ever heard. My 7 year old could easily explain how this statement is preposterous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous

PP, please list for me the democracies in the middle east?

Iran is closer than Israel. Israel is not a western country and does not share the values of the west.

You keep saying that but have no support for it.

Israel is a democracy. It has open elections. There are arabs, muslims and christians serving in government. It has freedom of the press, freedom of speech, freedom of religion. Women are free and equal, gays have rights and can serve in the military. It has freedom of commerce, investment in education, a free market.

What are the "western values" it does not share?