Anonymous wrote:This sounds like BS from someone who has an axe grind against TJ. They're bending over backwards to admit Hispanics and, to a lesser extent, girls.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

Than explain why an Hispanic girl with 44M/39V GPA 3.9 was rejected. The actual rejection reason was that she didn't have enough extra curricular activities. Babysitting siblings after school didn't show enough "passion for math and sciences".

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

Than explain why an Hispanic girl with 44M/39V GPA 3.9 was rejected. The actual rejection reason was that she didn't have enough extra curricular activities. Babysitting siblings after school didn't show enough "passion for math and sciences".

Anonymous wrote:FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

Wow, talk about discrimination based on SES! Some kids have to watch siblings instead of going to math camp. That's awful.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

Than explain why an Hispanic girl with 44M/39V GPA 3.9 was rejected. The actual rejection reason was that she didn't have enough extra curricular activities. Babysitting siblings after school didn't show enough "passion for math and sciences".

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

Than explain why an Hispanic girl with 44M/39V GPA 3.9 was rejected. The actual rejection reason was that she didn't have enough extra curricular activities. Babysitting siblings after school didn't show enough "passion for math and sciences".
Wow, talk about discrimination based on SES. That's appalling.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

FCPS tries desperately to admit more blacks and Hispanics by tweaking the admissions process every few years but all they end up is more unprepared students being admitted.

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I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.


Just because you got into Harvard that doesn't mean you would have probably gotten into TJ. Maybe you were a legacy, development case, recruited athlete or lucky. TJ grads that move onto Harvard say Harvard is academically easier than TJ.

TJ apparently does not have a cap on Asians but Harvard does. Asians are capped at about 16 to 18% year after year even though the number of Asian applicants probably doubled in the last 10 years. Harvard would be 60% Asians if it did not have quotas on Asians. Also, your friend saying there is no social life at TJ doesn't mean there is no social life for others. Maybe she thought the academics were too rigorous and wanted less challenging environment. I am sure she didn't say on the application her main priority was an active "social life" but to challenge her self with rigorous STEM courses and participate in scientific discovery. You know, the usual stuff that goes on the application and the SIS. So, for her to say she left because of no social life is disingenuous.

No one is saying people who do not think TJ is the best school are lazy. We are all entitled to our opinions. However, it is a fact that less whites are applying and this has been significant for the last 5 or 6 years. The likely reasons were put forth as : 1) I do not want to go to school with bunch of Asians where Asians are the majority (racist attitude), 2) I do not want to study too hard and still only manage to be
above average or average in all likelihood (Not very capable/lazy or both).


No, wasn't legacy or any other "hook". Lots of kids who get into TJ don't get into Harvard. And i am pretty sure my scores would have gotten me in. Did the test and then changed my mind. Regardless, not saying it's not a great school. It is. Just not the best choice for every qualified applicant. And that doesn't make them lazy. And your logic doesn't hold. There is nothing disingenuous about saying one left TJ because it lacked a suitable social scene for that person. It was one person's experience, and you have no reason to doubt it. Love the psychic power you have that Harvard would be 60percent Asian if there were no quotas.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.

Don't be so cocky and think that you would have gotten into TJ because you got into Harvard since it's likely that Asians with higher SAT scores, higher GPAs, stronger teacher recommendations, stronger essays, stronger ECs, more officer positions, more national awards and more volunteer/community service hours compared to you were rejected by Harvard.

Well, i doubt they had higher SAT scores since i had perfect scores. And no prep course (not how my parents rolled). And not URM, so don't bother with that tired old argument.

Many applicants with perfect SAT scores get rejected by Harvard, many of them Asians. And the rejected Asians did not only have perfect SAT scores and perfect GPAs so don't bother with that tired old argument they lacked in other areas.

Never said they lacked in other areas. You're making up arguments to tear them down. I simply said I was qualified, chose not to go, and wasn't lazy. Pretty sure no one (without a hook, that is) who is lazy gets into Harvard. Then people made up facts about me so they could try to dispute that example. No, it's a good example. I am SURE that many bright, hardworking TJ kids do not get into Harvard, and many of them are just as bright as I was. Not my argument. My argument is contra the posters who say that it's laziness that's causing declining applications by white students. That's not supportable based on the evidence, and my example (just one data point, but more than you've offered) disputes it.

Few observations about the above post:

1) You said "I would have gotten into TJ" not "I was qualified." There are over 2,400 applicants who thought they were qualified but were rejected. There is a big difference between I would have gotten in and I was qualified. You should be able to remember what you said. Don't backpedal now.
2) You already said you were "(white girl)" in the original post so why say you are not URM? You already said you were not URM. Again, you should be able to remember what you said.
3) You brought up the fact that you were not URM and then proceed to say "so don't bother with that tired old argument". The replying poster is mocking you by using the same phrase you have used. I hope you can see that but it looks like you don't see it.
4) You brought up the URM argument just to "tear them down" in the first place and then you attack the replying poster who has used that same point to mock you and you attack your own silly argument not even aware you used it first and that silly argument was used against you.

You need better glasses or improve your reading comprehension ability. I hope it's the former.

OK, let's see if I can make even you understand this.
1) Did you see how I said "probably"? Not backpedaling. It's in there from the beginning. Of course I can't know for sure, but I know that my scores were well above what usually people report for admitted students.
2) You are correct that I stated two things that indicated not being a URM. That's because people like yourself don't read very carefully, so it sometimes helps to repeat things where they're relevant.
3) Yes, I did see that the responding poster used the same phrase I did. I didn't see that there was any reason to note that. It didn't make any point -- they were just trying to be cute (and failing, but that's fine).
4) No, I didn't bring up the URM argument to tear it down. What PP did was to pretend I argued something I didn't argue (specifically, that I was more worthy than other students who did NOT get into Harvard) and then proceeded to respond to that argument. I did not pretend anyone made the URM argument to me. I simply anticipated and dismissed that argument as it wasn't relevant to the facts at hand.
Read quite well, thanks! Not concerned about your opinion, as you seem spectacularly unqualified to offer one.

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I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.


Just because you got into Harvard that doesn't mean you would have probably gotten into TJ. Maybe you were a legacy, development case, recruited athlete or lucky. TJ grads that move onto Harvard say Harvard is academically easier than TJ.

TJ apparently does not have a cap on Asians but Harvard does. Asians are capped at about 16 to 18% year after year even though the number of Asian applicants probably doubled in the last 10 years. Harvard would be 60% Asians if it did not have quotas on Asians. Also, your friend saying there is no social life at TJ doesn't mean there is no social life for others. Maybe she thought the academics were too rigorous and wanted less challenging environment. I am sure she didn't say on the application her main priority was an active "social life" but to challenge her self with rigorous STEM courses and participate in scientific discovery. You know, the usual stuff that goes on the application and the SIS. So, for her to say she left because of no social life is disingenuous.

No one is saying people who do not think TJ is the best school are lazy. We are all entitled to our opinions. However, it is a fact that less whites are applying and this has been significant for the last 5 or 6 years. The likely reasons were put forth as : 1) I do not want to go to school with bunch of Asians where Asians are the majority (racist attitude), 2) I do not want to study too hard and still only manage to be
above average or average in all likelihood (Not very capable/lazy or both).


No, wasn't legacy or any other "hook". Lots of kids who get into TJ don't get into Harvard. And i am pretty sure my scores would have gotten me in. Did the test and then changed my mind. Regardless, not saying it's not a great school. It is. Just not the best choice for every qualified applicant. And that doesn't make them lazy. And your logic doesn't hold. There is nothing disingenuous about saying one left TJ because it lacked a suitable social scene for that person. It was one person's experience, and you have no reason to doubt it. Love the psychic power you have that Harvard would be 60percent Asian if there were no quotas.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.

Don't be so cocky and think that you would have gotten into TJ because you got into Harvard since it's likely that Asians with higher SAT scores, higher GPAs, stronger teacher recommendations, stronger essays, stronger ECs, more officer positions, more national awards and more volunteer/community service hours compared to you were rejected by Harvard.

Well, i doubt they had higher SAT scores since i had perfect scores. And no prep course (not how my parents rolled). And not URM, so don't bother with that tired old argument.

Many applicants with perfect SAT scores get rejected by Harvard, many of them Asians. And the rejected Asians did not only have perfect SAT scores and perfect GPAs so don't bother with that tired old argument they lacked in other areas.

Never said they lacked in other areas. You're making up arguments to tear them down. I simply said I was qualified, chose not to go, and wasn't lazy. Pretty sure no one (without a hook, that is) who is lazy gets into Harvard. Then people made up facts about me so they could try to dispute that example. No, it's a good example. I am SURE that many bright, hardworking TJ kids do not get into Harvard, and many of them are just as bright as I was. Not my argument. My argument is contra the posters who say that it's laziness that's causing declining applications by white students. That's not supportable based on the evidence, and my example (just one data point, but more than you've offered) disputes it.

Few observations about the above post:

1) You said "I would have gotten into TJ" not "I was qualified." There are over 2,400 applicants who thought they were qualified but were rejected. There is a big difference between I would have gotten in and I was qualified. You should be able to remember what you said. Don't backpedal now.
2) You already said you were "(white girl)" in the original post so why say you are not URM? You already said you were not URM. Again, you should be able to remember what you said.
3) You brought up the fact that you were not URM and then proceed to say "so don't bother with that tired old argument". The replying poster is mocking you by using the same phrase you have used. I hope you can see that but it looks like you don't see it.
4) You brought up the URM argument just to "tear them down" in the first place and then you attack the replying poster who has used that same point to mock you and you attack your own silly argument not even aware you used it first and that silly argument was used against you.

You need better glasses or improve your reading comprehension ability. I hope it's the former.

I'd say a kid who needs to work, work, work every minute to keep up at TJ would find a better fit at the neighborhood high school, where he would probably stand out and be top of the class and still have time for other activities.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

The under-representation of black (by a factor of 5) and Hispanic (by a factor of 8!) students will undoubtedly not go unnoticed by DOE's Office of Civil Rights. It will be interesting, and potentially hugely embarrassing to see how that investigation is ultimately resolved.

Anonymous wrote:I'm far from convinced that non-Asian students are not discriminated against where TJ is concerned. Perhaps the Department of Education will weigh in on that eventually.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.

Don't be so cocky and think that you would have gotten into TJ because you got into Harvard since it's likely that Asians with higher SAT scores, higher GPAs, stronger teacher recommendations, stronger essays, stronger ECs, more officer positions, more national awards and more volunteer/community service hours compared to you were rejected by Harvard.

Well, i doubt they had higher SAT scores since i had perfect scores. And no prep course (not how my parents rolled). And not URM, so don't bother with that tired old argument.

Many applicants with perfect SAT scores get rejected by Harvard, many of them Asians. And the rejected Asians did not only have perfect SAT scores and perfect GPAs so don't bother with that tired old argument they lacked in other areas.

Never said they lacked in other areas. You're making up arguments to tear them down. I simply said I was qualified, chose not to go, and wasn't lazy. Pretty sure no one (without a hook, that is) who is lazy gets into Harvard. Then people made up facts about me so they could try to dispute that example. No, it's a good example. I am SURE that many bright, hardworking TJ kids do not get into Harvard, and many of them are just as bright as I was. Not my argument. My argument is contra the posters who say that it's laziness that's causing declining applications by white students. That's not supportable based on the evidence, and my example (just one data point, but more than you've offered) disputes it.

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Anonymous wrote:I would have gotten into TJ probably, but had no interest in going (white girl). I have my friends at my school, I'm comfortable moving on with them, and I am as interested in non-STEM subjects as STEM. Also, I have a friend who left TJ after the first year because she said there was no social life.
Anyway, that was a few years ago. I got into Harvard, so clearly wasn't slacking at my home school. Calling people lazy because they don't think TJ is the best school for everyone is silly.

Don't be so cocky and think that you would have gotten into TJ because you got into Harvard since it's likely that Asians with higher SAT scores, higher GPAs, stronger teacher recommendations, stronger essays, stronger ECs, more officer positions, more national awards and more volunteer/community service hours compared to you were rejected by Harvard.

Well, i doubt they had higher SAT scores since i had perfect scores. And no prep course (not how my parents rolled). And not URM, so don't bother with that tired old argument.

Many applicants with perfect SAT scores get rejected by Harvard, many of them Asians. And the rejected Asians did not only have perfect SAT scores and perfect GPAs so don't bother with that tired old argument they lacked in other areas.

You have a disproportionate chance of being admitted to TJ if you're Asian, so stop whining just because fewer kids want to go there now.

You have a "fair chance without quotas" of being admitted to TJ if you're Asian but you have "unfair chance that has quotas" of being admitted to top colleges (except CA and MI colleges) if you're Asian so that is not whining. That is pointing out illegal discrimination against one racial group based on race.

If you think it's illegal, then prove it. Bring a case. Oh, you can't? Because you can't prove it? If you can prove it, why don't you do something about it. Or are you too lazy?

The Supreme Court will rule that it is unconstitutional to use race in college admissions in the next few years if not sooner. We have 5 conservative Justices not receptive to the idea of racial discrimination in college admissions including the Chief Justice Roberts.