Anonymous
02/10/2012 18:06
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
Once again - spewing stereotypes. And once again - I saw prove it. Prove they are inherently dangerous (and no, personal anecdotes and over-hyped media reports don't count).
And prove they were bred just for fighting (although, I guess first you need to clarify what a pitbull is since several breeds tend to be referred to as pitbulls). And prove/explain "jaw tenacity". FYI: the "lockjaw" myth was disrupted earlier in the thread.
I too am curious to hear the answers to these questions and for people to back up these allegations.
they can test jaw strength. there are statistics showing the # of severe maulings that come from pit-bull type breeds. not sure what more facts you need.
if they tested jaw strengths and found that a pit bull has X PSI, which is greater than a wolf and greater than any other domestic dog breed, would that change your opinion?
::Buzzer sound:: Wrong.
“Pit Bulls have more bite pressure per square inch (PSI) than any
other breed.” This is absolutely false.
Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.
The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 17:53
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
Once again - spewing stereotypes. And once again - I saw prove it. Prove they are inherently dangerous (and no, personal anecdotes and over-hyped media reports don't count).
And prove they were bred just for fighting (although, I guess first you need to clarify what a pitbull is since several breeds tend to be referred to as pitbulls). And prove/explain "jaw tenacity". FYI: the "lockjaw" myth was disrupted earlier in the thread.
I too am curious to hear the answers to these questions and for people to back up these allegations.
they can test jaw strength. there are statistics showing the # of severe maulings that come from pit-bull type breeds. not sure what more facts you need.
if they tested jaw strengths and found that a pit bull has X PSI, which is greater than a wolf and greater than any other domestic dog breed, would that change your opinion?
Anonymous
02/10/2012 17:49
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Let me ask you a few questions. 1. Are your dogs spayed/neutured? If not then why? 2. Do your dogs get regular excersise? 3. Have your dogs ever killed a cat or other small animal? 4. Do you have small children visit you home frequently? 5. Does your house have a foundation or can it be moved with a Chevy and a few of your kin?
Ok smart ass, I used to be a vet tech, yes, they are all spayed and neutered, they get daily 3 mile walks...together, on leash, they have never killed any animal or cat, the get along w cats as a matter of fact, yes, my neighbor who has two young children, under the age of 4, visits frequently, and yes, my home is 2,000 heated sq. ft. Built on a concrete slab with a fenced
in two acre yard. I am originally from Boston, highly educated, and a former U.S. Marine, who served my country honorably, who just happens to be a strong minded woman, not an ignorant hick like you are presuming! Now don't you feel like an asshole? So, remember who you are talking to the next time you come at me with that type of presumption!
I was kind of joking here. Actually before this person went all "remember who your dealing with buster" on me, I would have told her that she is the type of person who should own those types of pets. I wasn't pressuming she was white trash, I was ASKING. She was the one who went all hormonal. Humor is lost on some of you guys. That is why I said, let me ask you a few questions. I didn't say "You stupid redneck, what the heck of you doing?"
Anonymous
02/10/2012 17:43
Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Aw, I think some people have a case of the nasties and need the love of a pit bull to relax them and help them feel better!
Anonymous
02/10/2012 17:03
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
Once again - spewing stereotypes. And once again - I saw prove it. Prove they are inherently dangerous (and no, personal anecdotes and over-hyped media reports don't count).
And prove they were bred just for fighting (although, I guess first you need to clarify what a pitbull is since several breeds tend to be referred to as pitbulls). And prove/explain "jaw tenacity". FYI: the "lockjaw" myth was disrupted earlier in the thread.
I too am curious to hear the answers to these questions and for people to back up these allegations.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 17:00
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
Once again - spewing stereotypes. And once again - I saw prove it. Prove they are inherently dangerous (and no, personal anecdotes and over-hyped media reports don't count).
And prove they were bred just for fighting (although, I guess first you need to clarify what a pitbull is since several breeds tend to be referred to as pitbulls). And prove/explain "jaw tenacity". FYI: the "lockjaw" myth was disrupted earlier in the thread.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 16:54
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg I can't believe some of the crap I'm seeing on here. I have owned several pitt bulls for
Years. My oldest is 10! I also own an Italian mastiff. So some of you are saying that my sweet babies,
Whom have never caused harm to anyone their entire lives, should be euthanized just for being a certain
Breed, never mind that they have never caused another person or dog any harm, well you all can just kiss my butt, for thinking that way! Punish stupid dog owners, not my innocent dogs!
Let me ask you a few questions. 1. Are your dogs spayed/neutured? If not then why? 2. Do your dogs get regular excersise? 3. Have your dogs ever killed a cat or other small animal? 4. Do you have small children visit you home frequently? 5. Does your house have a foundation or can it be moved with a Chevy and a few of your kin?
Ok smart ass, I used to be a vet tech, yes, they are all spayed and neutered, they get daily 3 mile walks...together, on leash, they have never killed any animal or cat, the get along w cats as a matter of fact, yes, my neighbor who has two young children, under the age of 4, visits frequently, and yes, my home is 2,000 heated sq. ft. Built on a concrete slab with a fenced
in two acre yard. I am originally from Boston, highly educated, and a former U.S. Marine, who served my country honorably, who just happens to be a strong minded woman, not an ignorant hick like you are presuming! Now don't you feel like an asshole? So, remember who you are talking to the next time you come at me with that type of presumption!
Love it! I see a trend after reading through 13 pages of this:
People who own and have experience with pit bulls love them and characterize them as good family dogs. Experience speaks volumes.
People who do not have pit bulls and have never interacted with one say crazy things like "Kill them all" and insinuate that pit bull owners are red nicks and irresponsible.
Signed, Someone who has been ferociously attacked by pit bull kisses
I was kind of joking here. Actually before this person went all "remember who your dealing with buster" on me, I would have told her that she is the type of person who should own those types of pets. I wasn't pressuming she was white trash, I was ASKING. She was the one who went all hormonal. Humor is lost on some of you guys. That is why I said, let me ask you a few questions. I didn't say "You stupid redneck, what the heck of you doing?"
Anonymous
02/10/2012 16:43
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
So, all the ones in shelters should be euthanized and not adopted out to responsible owners? Also, other dogs have stronger jaws. Guess we should get rid of all of those too.
I do agree with you on one point, get a different dog if you are scared of them or feel you cannot properly train them.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 16:40
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Pit Bulls are inherently dangerous and there is no need for them. You can get the same level of affection and devotion and companionship from dogs that (i) do not have the strength of jaw tenacity and (ii) were not bred for the specific purpose of fighting other animals. Dogs are highly adaptable creatures given the # of chromosones and the large litters. Just get a different kind of dog.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 15:00
Subject: Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
If you don't like pits, then don't get one as a pet, but don't go around advocating they all be put down just because you're ignorant.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 14:35
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Omg I can't believe some of the crap I'm seeing on here. I have owned several pitt bulls for
Years. My oldest is 10! I also own an Italian mastiff. So some of you are saying that my sweet babies,
Whom have never caused harm to anyone their entire lives, should be euthanized just for being a certain
Breed, never mind that they have never caused another person or dog any harm, well you all can just kiss my butt, for thinking that way! Punish stupid dog owners, not my innocent dogs!
Let me ask you a few questions. 1. Are your dogs spayed/neutured? If not then why? 2. Do your dogs get regular excersise? 3. Have your dogs ever killed a cat or other small animal? 4. Do you have small children visit you home frequently? 5. Does your house have a foundation or can it be moved with a Chevy and a few of your kin?
Ok smart ass, I used to be a vet tech, yes, they are all spayed and neutered, they get daily 3 mile walks...together, on leash, they have never killed any animal or cat, the get along w cats as a matter of fact, yes, my neighbor who has two young children, under the age of 4, visits frequently, and yes, my home is 2,000 heated sq. ft. Built on a concrete slab with a fenced
in two acre yard. I am originally from Boston, highly educated, and a former U.S. Marine, who served my country honorably, who just happens to be a strong minded woman, not an ignorant hick like you are presuming! Now don't you feel like an asshole? So, remember who you are talking to the next time you come at me with that type of presumption!
Love it! I see a trend after reading through 13 pages of this:
People who own and have experience with pit bulls love them and characterize them as good family dogs. Experience speaks volumes.
People who do not have pit bulls and have never interacted with one say crazy things like "Kill them all" and insinuate that pit bull owners are red nicks and irresponsible.
Signed, Someone who has been ferociously attacked by pit bull kisses
Anonymous
02/10/2012 14:32
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I have never met a mean standard poodle. However, I have seen mean pit bulls. I don't understand why anyone would purchase a dog that has a reputation of being mean when there are so many other breeds to choose from EXCEPT if they want to appear tough or something. For all those pit bull advocates, why did you choose pit over another breed if you are looking for a baby sitter? Collies have a great reputation as baby sitters, so why a pit and not a collie or another shepherding type of dog which is bred to baby sit animals (translation, carry over to kids) - Oh, because you want to feel cool or something. that's why.
Oh puh-lease! We got our pit mix at the NY Ave shelter because she was a nice dog. And if we had wanted to avoid getting a pit mix, we would have had to fight for the few non-pitbulls there. The NY Ave shelter is overrun with pits. I couldn't care less about looking "cool"! We just wanted a nice dog - and, earth to pp, she's a nice dog! And like any dog I have owned, pit mix or not, I don't let small children get near her and I don't assume she would never bite anyone. Wow, park your stereotypes, pp!
New to the discussion, but to the last quoted PP I want to say thank you. That is really all I am asking of a dog owner: to be responsible and caring, and proactive; you are the one making sure that your dog does not get near any children, or too close to anyone they don't know really, and you don't assume she would never bite. My mom was attacked twice in her life, unprovoked attacks, once dragged off a bicycle, once walking, it was a German shepard both times. It is dangerous to make assumptions solely based on race of the dog, as is the assumption that *your* dog could not possibly ever attack. But I think it does not matter what the race is: You must be a responsible owner, like the PP.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 13:39
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Omg I can't believe some of the crap I'm seeing on here. I have owned several pitt bulls for
Years. My oldest is 10! I also own an Italian mastiff. So some of you are saying that my sweet babies,
Whom have never caused harm to anyone their entire lives, should be euthanized just for being a certain
Breed, never mind that they have never caused another person or dog any harm, well you all can just kiss my butt, for thinking that way! Punish stupid dog owners, not my innocent dogs!
Let me ask you a few questions. 1. Are your dogs spayed/neutured? If not then why? 2. Do your dogs get regular excersise? 3. Have your dogs ever killed a cat or other small animal? 4. Do you have small children visit you home frequently? 5. Does your house have a foundation or can it be moved with a Chevy and a few of your kin?
Ok smart ass, I used to be a vet tech, yes, they are all spayed and neutered, they get daily 3 mile walks...together, on leash, they have never killed any animal or cat, the get along w cats as a matter of fact, yes, my neighbor who has two young children, under the age of 4, visits frequently, and yes, my home is 2,000 heated sq. ft. Built on a concrete slab with a fenced
in two acre yard. I am originally from Boston, highly educated, and a former U.S. Marine, who served my country honorably, who just happens to be a strong minded woman, not an ignorant hick like you are presuming! Now don't you feel like an asshole? So, remember who you are talking to the next time you come at me with that type of presumption!
Anonymous
02/10/2012 13:32
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:
I know about the jaw myth. Spare me. I also know that they have extremely thick skulls and very strong shoulders (because they were bred initially for bear baiting) which makes them VERY difficult to fight off. A retriever has a relatively softer and smaller head...which makes them relatively easy to fight off with some well-aimed punches and kicks. Again, I ask, how would you defend a child that was attacked by your dog?
My pit bull plays with goldens and is routinely overpowered by them. Have you ever witnessed a pit bull and a golden play?
Can I just say it is a weird mentality to think about fighting off a dog? I don't think about kicking dogs in the head. Instead, I train my dogs and treat them kindly, and they do the same. They go to obedience classes and are trained at home. When I need to verbally correct my dog for getting into the trash, etc. they respond extremely well - typically sulking and walking away. If my dogs get to bouncy or licky around kids, I say "Leave it." and they walk away. So, I guess that is how I would defend a child. Wow - training works!! The fact that you assume my dog would attack a child is the bigotry I first spoke off. But, I am all for you not having a pit bull if you feel you cannot handle one. Seriously.
I'm guessing not a LOT of kids come running up to your PIT BULL to pet it or play with it. So sorry for this woman who was mauled but maybe people will be a little more reserved about groping other people's dogs, sheesh.
Anonymous
02/10/2012 13:30
Subject: Re:Why do people still think that these ferocious dog breeds are safe and should be tolerated?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I completely admit to not having a source to my post, but I remember hearing that pure bred dogs are more aggressive than mutts. Examples - standard poodles, dalmations, scottish terriers, german shepherds, american pit bull, the list goes on and includes your precious little teacups.
I have neve met a mean standard poodle. However, I have seen mean pit bulls. I don't understand why anyone would purchase a dog that has a reputation of being mean when there are so many other breeds to choose from EXCEPT if they want to appear tough or something. For all those pit bull advocates, why did you choose pit over another breed if you are looking for a baby sitter? Collies have a great reputation as baby sitters, so why a pit and not a collie or another shepherding type of dog which is bred to baby sit animals (translation, carry over to kids) - Oh, because you want to feel cool or something. that's why.
My neighbors bred standard poodles and they were very mean. Like dalmations, they do not like kids. I'm not a pit advocate, I'm an 'adopt a shelter dog advocate'. I do believe that mutts are more friendly and make better pets (less health problems) than purebreds. The problem is, a lot of mutts are labeled pit mixes.