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Anonymous wrote:Hoco34 has broken your brains. The things written here about a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds is insane.

The fact is people have problems with them bc they win and they big. Thats it. It’s a skill issue. All of the whining about dirty coaching and playing is comical. It’s just cope. They win because they are better.

All of the losing parents can’t handle it and lash out at officials instead of teaching their kids to train and embrace adversity.

You don’t like losing to hoco? Work harder or go play soccer. Don’t throw a tantrum and make your team forfeit.

Its not about losing to them it happens. Its about game play. If you think bodying, cross checking, push from behind, slashes, dangerous shots, girls getting hit in the head and intimidation is skill then you have lost your mind. All things that have been called on this team. They typically get yellow cards every game. Sometimes even have girls card out. Parents want their kids to be safe, thats not an unfathomable thing to ask. If they are doing these things at 9/10yrs old what will they be doing when they are 13/14yrs old.

They are not going to be doing it at 13/14 because their good players will be on another team w another club where that isn’t the culture, tolerated or asked for, plus no college coach recruiting wants to see that type of player or parent .

They have a coach who is very engaged, shows up to 3 practices a week for them..better than the missing coaches for my 2033 who sporadically honor us with their presence even though paid & committed..but she has a reputation from Century. Not an accident that this is happening at hoco and not hero’s.

anyone see anything like this at the 2030/31/32/33 playoffs or championship?

Anonymous wrote:Hoco34 has broken your brains. The things written here about a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds is insane.

The fact is people have problems with them bc they win and they big. Thats it. It’s a skill issue. All of the whining about dirty coaching and playing is comical. It’s just cope. They win because they are better.

All of the losing parents can’t handle it and lash out at officials instead of teaching their kids to train and embrace adversity.

You don’t like losing to hoco? Work harder or go play soccer. Don’t throw a tantrum and make your team forfeit.

This is a glimpse of the issue. MDU parents and staff acknowledged the bad behavior, apologized to the players and league and will work on sideline behavior and safe play. Hoco unapologetically continues taunting and poor behavior.

Anonymous wrote:Hoco34 has broken your brains. The things written here about a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds is insane.

The fact is people have problems with them bc they win and they big. Thats it. It’s a skill issue. All of the whining about dirty coaching and playing is comical. It’s just cope. They win because they are better.

All of the losing parents can’t handle it and lash out at officials instead of teaching their kids to train and embrace adversity.

You don’t like losing to hoco? Work harder or go play soccer. Don’t throw a tantrum and make your team forfeit.

Its not about losing to them it happens. Its about game play. If you think bodying, cross checking, push from behind, slashes, dangerous shots, girls getting hit in the head and intimidation is skill then you have lost your mind. All things that have been called on this team. They typically get yellow cards every game. Sometimes even have girls card out. Parents want their kids to be safe, thats not a unfathomable thing to ask. If they are doing these things at 9/10yrs old what will they be doing when they are 13/14yrs old.

Hoco34 has broken your brains. The things written here about a bunch of 9 and 10 year olds is insane.

The fact is people have problems with them bc they win and they big. Thats it. It’s a skill issue. All of the whining about dirty coaching and playing is comical. It’s just cope. They win because they are better.

All of the losing parents can’t handle it and lash out at officials instead of teaching their kids to train and embrace adversity.

You don’t like losing to hoco? Work harder or go play soccer. Don’t throw a tantrum and make your team forfeit.

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Anonymous wrote:That is not what happened. The league said that BOTH teams had to forfeit. Both teams were told that the game could not continue and neither team could advance. MDU coaches and parents left the field like they were told to. Hoco coaches and parents stayed on the field to convince the NGLL director to allow them to advance because they were winning when the game was forfeited.

If this is true, that's just wrong. NGLL needed to get on top of the parent sideline issues way earlier also. Behavior all spring season must have warranted some warnings.

Both sidelines were warned at Halftime, the HoCo coach came over and told her parents not to say another word to anyone, don't even cheer. The MDU coach did not do this, MDU kept going, including the coach and multiple MDU parents, one even was yelling at the NGLL director who i guess didn't know who she was? Then they had to forfeit. Feel bad for those girls.

That's awful - hopefully MD United can fix the culture of the 34 parents and get back to letting the kids enjoy the game.

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Anonymous wrote:That is not what happened. The league said that BOTH teams had to forfeit. Both teams were told that the game could not continue and neither team could advance. MDU coaches and parents left the field like they were told to. Hoco coaches and parents stayed on the field to convince the NGLL director to allow them to advance because they were winning when the game was forfeited.

If this is true, that's just wrong. NGLL needed to get on top of the parent sideline issues way earlier also. Behavior all spring season must have warranted some warnings.

Both sidelines were warned at Halftime, the HoCo coach came over and told her parents not to say another word to anyone, don't even cheer. The MDU coach did not do this, MDU kept going, including the coach and multiple MDU parents, one even was yelling at the NGLL director who i guess didn't know who she was? Then they had to forfeit. Feel bad for those girls.

Anonymous wrote:That is not what happened. The league said that BOTH teams had to forfeit. Both teams were told that the game could not continue and neither team could advance. MDU coaches and parents left the field like they were told to. Hoco coaches and parents stayed on the field to convince the NGLL director to allow them to advance because they were winning when the game was forfeited.

If this is true, that's just wrong. NGLL needed to get on top of the parent sideline issues way earlier also. Behavior all spring season must have warranted some warnings.

Anonymous wrote:That is not what happened. The league said that BOTH teams had to forfeit. Both teams were told that the game could not continue and neither team could advance. MDU coaches and parents left the field like they were told to. Hoco coaches and parents stayed on the field to convince the NGLL director to allow them to advance because they were winning when the game was forfeited.

Both teams should be made examples of. They just showed that you can act a fool and if you beg enough you can still play. The director should have held their ground and said I warned you and now your done, end of conversation. Letting them play just proves you can still do whatever you want without consequences. Definitely doesn't send a good message to all the other teams. You have teams literally wanting to refuse to play them because of their actions.

That is not what happened. The league said that BOTH teams had to forfeit. Both teams were told that the game could not continue and neither team could advance. MDU coaches and parents left the field like they were told to. Hoco coaches and parents stayed on the field to convince the NGLL director to allow them to advance because they were winning when the game was forfeited.

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Anonymous wrote:What you all should be worried about is the fact that, like every other HoCo team, this one will fall apart in the next few years and your teams are going to wind up picking up the best of their barking players.

The team almost folded already after a large group left because of the culture. The team only has two subs. It wouldn’t be surprising if a few more deserted, not wanting to be associated with the group.

I saw a lot of subs on the sideline for Maryland United 2034s. Agreed that the parent culture seems pretty toxic - have never seen parents force a forfeit for berating referees in youth lacrosse - but it doesn't seem like things are as bad as you say they are over at MDU. They'll unfortunately be back.

I was referring to HoCo. I should have been clearer!

Naw - that was my bad. I thought Maryland United was the team with the negative culture and parents that got so out of line that the league forced their girls to take a loss and forfeit a playoff game in the middle of the game.

Not condoning MDU East behavior but if you watched the game you could somewhat understand why parents were getting heated. However I will say more teams have had issues with Hoco then MDU East. Whether its because of the extreme physical game they play or how awful their sideline is with all the comments they throw out there and screaming, to the coach flipping out and complaining about everything. She will literally flip out over something that happened when they are up by 20 goals. This isnt the first time a team has either refused to play Hoco or forfeited a game against them. Clearly there is a common denominator.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you all should be worried about is the fact that, like every other HoCo team, this one will fall apart in the next few years and your teams are going to wind up picking up the best of their barking players.

The team almost folded already after a large group left because of the culture. The team only has two subs. It wouldn’t be surprising if a few more deserted, not wanting to be associated with the group.

I saw a lot of subs on the sideline for Maryland United 2034s. Agreed that the parent culture seems pretty toxic - have never seen parents force a forfeit for berating referees in youth lacrosse - but it doesn't seem like things are as bad as you say they are over at MDU. They'll unfortunately be back.

I was referring to HoCo. I should have been clearer!

Naw - that was my bad. I thought Maryland United was the team with the negative culture and parents that got so out of line that the league forced their girls to take a loss and forfeit a playoff game in the middle of the game.

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Anonymous wrote:What you all should be worried about is the fact that, like every other HoCo team, this one will fall apart in the next few years and your teams are going to wind up picking up the best of their barking players.

The team almost folded already after a large group left because of the culture. The team only has two subs. It wouldn’t be surprising if a few more deserted, not wanting to be associated with the group.

This team is very interesting. From what I’ve heard, they lost nearly half their roster because parents were unhappy with the toxic culture surrounding 8 year old girls. Honestly, I do not blame them. At that age, kids should be built up, not treated like they are not worthy enough to step on the field unless they are one of the favorites. Confidence and mental health matter more than wins, trophies, or matching shirts.

The boys Hoco director even pulled his own daughter from the team last year to play for Heroes because of the culture. That says a lot when leadership within the organization does not want their own child there.

The environment seems almost cult like with the matching gear, gifts, and end game chants. Multiple parents also heard the head coach encourage fouling until refs called it, which is wild for youth sports. From what I’ve seen and heard, that mentality carries into the high school level too, where only a few girls are allowed to be the main scorers while everyone else is expected to feed them the ball. There were also allegations of an illegal draw stick being used during the regional championship game last night.

At the end of the day, youth sports should be about development, teamwork, and confidence, not toxicity and win at all costs behavior.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What you all should be worried about is the fact that, like every other HoCo team, this one will fall apart in the next few years and your teams are going to wind up picking up the best of their barking players.

The team almost folded already after a large group left because of the culture. The team only has two subs. It wouldn’t be surprising if a few more deserted, not wanting to be associated with the group.

I saw a lot of subs on the sideline for Maryland United 2034s. Agreed that the parent culture seems pretty toxic - have never seen parents force a forfeit for berating referees in youth lacrosse - but it doesn't seem like things are as bad as you say they are over at MDU. They'll unfortunately be back.

I was referring to HoCo. I should have been clearer!

there is just a level of intensity at some of these lacrosse clubs that has moved beyond playing the game well. the pressure these kids must have be having to perform and dominate will burn them out early. if the yelling is intense on the sidelines, just think of what is going on during that car ride home.