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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Children must learn to self-soothe.

lol, we went to schools far better than your shit lacs dont worry.

You most assuredly didn’t go to a better school than the top SLACs.

I actually went to a non-selective public but I’m comfortable with the reality that top SLACs are as good or better than any school or group of schools for undergraduate education.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Children must learn to self-soothe.

lol, we went to schools far better than your shit lacs dont worry.

You most assuredly didn’t go to a better school than the top SLACs.

I actually went to a non-selective public but I’m comfortable with the reality that top SLACs are as good or better than any school or group of schools for undergraduate education.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Children must learn to self-soothe.

lol, we went to schools far better than your shit lacs dont worry.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Children must learn to self-soothe.

lol, we went to schools far better than your shit lacs dont worry.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Children must learn to self-soothe.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

williams and amherst are barely 10% test optional and sub 40% yield. the only secure ones are lac students who couldnt get into ivies which would be almost all of them

Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is full of insecure Ivy alums who can't accept that there are good non-Ivy schools out there.

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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

You have to be out of your mind if you think that top SLAC students don't get summer opportunities equal to those at ivies. Often they do research at Ivies, taking seats that I am sure some Ivy parent felt belonged to their child. My kid did a research summer at Penn. She got it because a Penn reached out to her inquiring about interest. They reached out because their SLAC professor got their PHD at Penn and they sent an unsolicited email suggesting my kid. That is what you get at a top SLAC.

Or you could go to Penn and get these offers all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:The opportunities are nowhere near competitive enough. DD was able to work at Yale law during the summer and get funding to examine legal theory across 5 different countries with an experienced, decorated law faculty member. During the school year, she has a grant to do bioethics policy work with a New York think tank that reached out to Yale for students, leads a club where she’s able to invite major speakers in ethics and other philosophy faculty, and was able to take a course in the SOM to fulfill her interest in bioethics. At Williams, she could’ve gone to class and taken a wide range of philosophy courses unrelated to her interest and maybe joined/started a club.

Her friends at LACs are academically impressive but that’s about it. They don’t have the experiences that signal impact. At best, they can get into an REU hosted at an institution like my daughters.

I have a kid at Yale (freshman) and Wiliams (junior) so maybe I can speak about this a little. They're both terrific.

Yale has more of a wow factor when you talk to your friends. No doubt. And they have big name speakers on campus every week. I like what a bigger school provides ie more dining options etc, but that's not a Yale thing. Would have been more food options are Syracuse etc. The kids are happy, lots of connections if you want them, lots to do on weekends (although more frat life than I realized)

The downside is the very competitive club culture. If you get into the top finance (theater, law, political, improv black) etc club, then you're on easy street. But the top finance club takes 12 kids (per year) and 2000 applied this year. So you try to get into the top 3 clubs and that can be hard too. My kid was applying to clubs nonstop and got into a good one and a couple okay ones. It's competitive. You have to be good at xyz if you want to get into the xyz club.

Williams can be an unknown to your friends, but not employers. Fewer resources on campus, fewer big names, fewer dining halls, fewer parties on weekends (but there are some, every weekend) and you're tucked away for a long winter. Those are the downsides. Upsides: more of a personal connection to teacher (ie they make calls for you). There are a ton of nepo kids there which has been an upside -- roomies dad can get you a summer gig at Blackstone. And the alumni network is very receptive. Reaching out to a rando on LinkedIn who went to yale would be weird. at Williams, totally normal. Also, you can do ANYTHING. Never done improv, who cares. Never looked at a P&L statement, you can do the January term at a hedge fund and get an internship from that.

They're very different with different ways of accessing opportunities. But both great.

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Anonymous wrote:They would probably rank dead last. This isn't to say that Williams or Amherst aren't exemplary. They're great! But, the reality is that they cannot provide the same resources as the ivies, especially the top ivies. Still great options if you like tiny rural schools and don't worry about less options.

The top SLACS all have resources per student equal to or greater than the Ivies outside of HYP. They can also focus those resources on undergraduate needs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?

The best universities in the USA are:

1 Berkeley
2 UCLA
3 University of Michigan
4 UVA / UNC

Private universities are a scam.

The copium is strong in this one. Power to the proletariat.