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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

Yes, Duke and Yale are very similar in that way; both beautiful campuses with happy students. I think the part where some posters here are concerned for Yale is they haven't kept up with their peers in STEM, particularly engineering. A school like Duke however has. UChicago is in a weird place where some of its STEM is very strong, but its engineering is almost nonexistent.

+1 would rather send my kid to Duke than Yale these days

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

UCB is one of many excellent tech schools. For undergraduate eduction it has many well documented shortcomings. The only real advantage over any of 30 other undergraduate engineering schools is proximity. At the undergraduate level you can get all of the advantages of UCB and none of the downsides by going to Santa Clara University.

For graduate work UCB is truly elite.

berkeley yield is shit for a reason

Cornell has a yield of 63%, Vanderbilt 55% and that includes ED rounds so high 40s yield with no ED is not that bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

Yes, Duke and Yale are very similar in that way; both beautiful campuses with happy students. I think the part where some posters here are concerned for Yale is they haven't kept up with their peers in STEM, particularly engineering. A school like Duke however has. UChicago is in a weird place where some of its STEM is very strong, but its engineering is almost nonexistent.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

Yes, Duke and Yale are very similar in that way; both beautiful campuses with happy students. I think the part where some posters here are concerned for Yale is they haven't kept up with their peers in STEM, particularly engineering. A school like Duke however has. UChicago is in a weird place where some of its STEM is very strong, but its engineering is almost nonexistent.

+1 would rather send my kid to Duke than Yale these days

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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

Yes, Duke and Yale are very similar in that way; both beautiful campuses with happy students. I think the part where some posters here are concerned for Yale is they haven't kept up with their peers in STEM, particularly engineering. A school like Duke however has. UChicago is in a weird place where some of its STEM is very strong, but its engineering is almost nonexistent.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

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S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses)

S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT)
-Yale (Amazing humanities but lagging S+ tier in STEM)
-Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools)
-Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC)
-UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering)
-UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students)

A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige):

-Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier)
-Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine)
-Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier)
-Berkeley (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads)
-Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus)
-Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution)
-WASP + Bowdoin (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin) Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier

A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige):

-Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier)
-Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation)
-UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention)
-Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources)
-Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence)
-Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science)
-UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources)
-Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre)
-Harvey Mudd + Olin College of Engineering + Claremont McKenna (Specialized LACs that are very strong in their areas of expertise)

Not sure where you saw this, but its likely someone with an engineering bias. Hense why Berkeley, Olin, CMC is so high, etc.
It should be....

S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses)
Yale

S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT)

-Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools)
-Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC)
-UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering)
-UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students)



A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige):

-Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier)
-Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine)
-Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier)
-Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus)
-Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution)
-Williams and Amherst (Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier)

A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige):
Berkeley- (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads, VERY weak undergrad admissions)

-Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier)
-Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation)
-UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention, Very weak undergrad admissions)
-Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources)
-Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence)
-Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science)
-UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources, Very Weak undergrad admissions)
-Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre)
-Emory (Best Nursing, Public health programs in the country, good business as well)
Swarthmore and Pomona- 2nd best LACs

Why split up the LACs? they're equally resourced.

They're not as prestigious.

Then don’t include any of them. Most people would not put Williams and Amherst anywhere near the schools you ranked. Their student quality is also worse.

+1, it’s quite silly to put Williams on the same tier as Berkeley. No offense to Williams, good small school, but Berkeley blows it out of the water on impact in academia, course availability, and research output. I don’t know why people try to merge these lists together.

Williams is much harder to get into than Berkeley, but Berkeley has better academic so its a wash.

This is bay area Asian copium.

Trump’s S.Ct eliminated affirmative action, which has opened the floodgates for an Asian take-over of higher education.

+1.

The only way to keep all these Asians out of the top schools is to overturn Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, and bring back affirmative action / race-based admissions policies.

They will figure it out. Alumni are not thrilled about seeing a sea of asian faces at their alma mater.

Before or after affirmation action was ruled unconstitutional, Asians count a large percentage of students at top schools. Need another Chinese Exclusion Act.

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

UCB is one of many excellent tech schools. For undergraduate eduction it has many well documented shortcomings. The only real advantage over any of 30 other undergraduate engineering schools is proximity. At the undergraduate level you can get all of the advantages of UCB and none of the downsides by going to Santa Clara University.

For graduate work UCB is truly elite.

berkeley yield is shit for a reason

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

UCB is one of many excellent tech schools. For undergraduate eduction it has many well documented shortcomings. The only real advantage over any of 30 other undergraduate engineering schools is proximity. At the undergraduate level you can get all of the advantages of UCB and none of the downsides by going to Santa Clara University.

For graduate work UCB is truly elite.

berkeley yield is shit for a reason

Outside of they Bay Area Asian striver community Berkeley is never a top choice.

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

UCB is one of many excellent tech schools. For undergraduate eduction it has many well documented shortcomings. The only real advantage over any of 30 other undergraduate engineering schools is proximity. At the undergraduate level you can get all of the advantages of UCB and none of the downsides by going to Santa Clara University.

For graduate work UCB is truly elite.

berkeley yield is shit for a reason

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

UCB is one of many excellent tech schools. For undergraduate eduction it has many well documented shortcomings. The only real advantage over any of 30 other undergraduate engineering schools is proximity. At the undergraduate level you can get all of the advantages of UCB and none of the downsides by going to Santa Clara University.

For graduate work UCB is truly elite.

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Anonymous wrote:This Berkeley dead car bounce is quite impressive. People are having a hard time giving up that ghost, I guess.

It does not really matter what you think because it is a top 15 USNWR school and in most rankings. Its close to Silicon Valley and is one of the schools with the largest number of startups. This year 4 profs received Nobel Prizes (one did his undergrad there). Its programs are all in top 5 for both STEM and humanities. The list goes on. The undergrad experience might not be elite but the opportunities are there for those who want to seize them.

I wouldn't consider it a top school for undergraduates because of the well documented shortcomings but for the right kids the opportunities are there, especially in the tech world.

Huh. This isn't 1990's or early 2000'seven. Engineering and Tech is significant in today's world . They are top 5 for that. End of story. Yes, the English lit, business or biology majors can go to any small liberal arts school. There are hundreds. But the top Eng/Tech schools have a category/place all to their own.

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Anonymous wrote:Is Yale on the decline?

Of course not, Yale is one of the most sought after and strongest schools in the country. Plus it's one of the very few with instant name recognition anywhere in the world.

Yale started out with great advantages but between its mediocre reputation in STEM and location in crime-ridden and depressed New Haven it is declining in prestige.

Yale is Hogwarts with a train to nyc. New Haven isn't the best, but it does make Yale turn a little more inward. There's just a ton of social life on campus. Yale kids are really happy. At our high school, kids want Yale or Duke.

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S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses)

S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT)
-Yale (Amazing humanities but lagging S+ tier in STEM)
-Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools)
-Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC)
-UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering)
-UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students)

A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige):

-Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier)
-Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine)
-Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier)
-Berkeley (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads)
-Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus)
-Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution)
-WASP + Bowdoin (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin) Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier

A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige):

-Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier)
-Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation)
-UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention)
-Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources)
-Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence)
-Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science)
-UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources)
-Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre)
-Harvey Mudd + Olin College of Engineering + Claremont McKenna (Specialized LACs that are very strong in their areas of expertise)

Duke and U Chicago do not have “global
prestige”. DH and I are from two different top 10 global cities outside of the U.S., no one back home has had heard of these two schools except occasionally someone may know Duke only for basketball but not for its academics. Berkeley and Johns Hopkins have global prestige.

Chicago absolutely has global prestige. Duke much less so.
Agree with the Johns Hopkins/Berkeley comment. I don't think Berkeley deserves it anymore but reputations linger.
Wisconsin used to have a lot of global prestige and it took a long time for it to diminish.

Really, Berkeley with top academic departments and nobel prize winners even this year does not deserve its reputation. It is a state university and provides phenomenal education and ranks high for upward mobility. If Chicago with its ED0, 1, and 2 and taking medicre private school kids has global prestige, Berkeley is definitely going to be fine for a long time.

There was a time when berkeley was perennially top 10, top 5 school in the country. It doesn't sniff top 10 anymore and with it's recent shift in focus from academics to equity, I don't expect that shift to reverse course at least at the undergraduate level. Berkeley is starting to lose it's international reputation in much the same way that Wisconsin and Illinois lost their reputations. Berkeley is simply not matriculating the best students anymore.

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S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses)

S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT)
-Yale (Amazing humanities but lagging S+ tier in STEM)
-Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools)
-Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC)
-UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering)
-UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students)

A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige):

-Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier)
-Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine)
-Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier)
-Berkeley (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads)
-Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus)
-Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution)
-WASP + Bowdoin (Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Bowdoin) Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier

A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige):

-Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier)
-Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation)
-UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention)
-Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources)
-Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence)
-Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science)
-UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources)
-Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre)
-Harvey Mudd + Olin College of Engineering + Claremont McKenna (Specialized LACs that are very strong in their areas of expertise)

Not sure where you saw this, but its likely someone with an engineering bias. Hense why Berkeley, Olin, CMC is so high, etc.
It should be....

S+ Tier (Exceptional at everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton (No glaring weaknesses)
Yale

S Tier (Exceptional at nearly everything, extremely resourced, global prestige):

-Caltech (Amazing STEM but worse at humanities than MIT)

-Duke (Very well rounded and perhaps greatest upside in S tier, but youngest of elite schools)
-Columbia (Very well rounded but hurting from recent scandals, still benefits from being in NYC)
-UChicago (Strong humanities and sciences but lacking in engineering)
-UPenn (Very well rounded but perhaps too centered around Wharton that can create odd dynamic with the non-Wharton students)

A+ Tier (Exceptional at many things, heavily resourced, national prestige):

-Northwestern (Very well rounded, closest to being S tier)
-Johns Hopkins (Pointy in strengths, perhaps too centered around medicine)
-Dartmouth (Strong undergrad focus, but lacking strong research backing and global reputation of S tier)
-Cornell (Good at STEM and niche programs like agriculture, but lagging in other traditional fields and a bit weaker in undergrad focus)
-Brown (Weakest academically of ivies | Not quite as undergrad focused as Dartmouth and not quite an S tier research institution)
-Williams and Amherst (Most elite liberal arts educations, minimal global prestige compared to others in this tier)

A Tier (Exceptional at many things, well resourced, national prestige):
Berkeley- (Academically phenomenal all around similar to S+ tier and high global prestige, but significantly hurt in lack of resources and attention for undergrads, VERY weak undergrad admissions)

-Vanderbilt (Needs to cement itself as a top research institution, closest to being A+ tier)
-Rice (Strong undergrad focus and very well resourced, but lacking global reputation)
-UMich (Well rounded with strong research, lacking undergrad attention, Very weak undergrad admissions)
-Georgetown (Incredibly elite for humanities, but severely lacking in STEM and could use more financial resources)
-Notre Dame (Superb financial resources, but limited research excellence)
-Washington University in St. Louis (Great financial resources, but pointy in strengths towards medicine/science)
-UCLA (Strong research, but struggles with undergraduate resources, Very Weak undergrad admissions)
-Carnegie Mellon (Inverse Georgetown: strong STEM, severely lacking in humanities despite strong points in arts and theatre)
-Emory (Best Nursing, Public health programs in the country, good business as well)
Swarthmore and Pomona- 2nd best LACs

Why split up the LACs? they're equally resourced.

They're not as prestigious.

Then don’t include any of them. Most people would not put Williams and Amherst anywhere near the schools you ranked. Their student quality is also worse.

+1, it’s quite silly to put Williams on the same tier as Berkeley. No offense to Williams, good small school, but Berkeley blows it out of the water on impact in academia, course availability, and research output. I don’t know why people try to merge these lists together.

Williams is much harder to get into than Berkeley, but Berkeley has better academic so its a wash.

This is bay area Asian copium.

Trump’s S.Ct eliminated affirmative action, which has opened the floodgates for an Asian take-over of higher education.

+1.

The only way to keep all these Asians out of the top schools is to overturn Students for Fair Admissions v. Harvard, and bring back affirmative action / race-based admissions policies.

They will figure it out. Alumni are not thrilled about seeing a sea of asian faces at their alma mater.