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Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

Oh wait, now it turns out that Whiskey Pete not only didn't order the second strike, he didn't even know about it.


Trump says he and Hegseth didn't know about second strike on boat

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-ukraine-russia-venezuela-12-02-2025

Oh listen….. that’s the sound of an admiral getting thrown under the bus by Kegsbreath.

I don’t feel bad for the Admiral at all. People talk like he is some innocent victim but he has a massive amount of military experience and knew better than to follow an illegal order. He, and every person in the chain of command, deserves whatever punishment is coming their way.

The memo concludes that the U.S. is in a non-international armed conflict with the cartels, and that the strikes are being conducted in line with the laws of war. The head of the OLC also told lawmakers the administration wasn't going to seek an extension of war powers because the administration has determined they don't apply, since the American personnel conducting the strikes aren't in danger.

This is from an NPR article from Nov 17 https://www.npr.org/2025/11/17/g-s1-97836/venezuela-evidence-doj-strikes-sinking-suspected-drug-boats-assertations

So. . . . we are following the laws of war but we don't have to have congressional permission because this doesn't involve war powers because military personnel aren't being targeting (and I guess there can't be war crimes since it is not a war). . ..

This is some real through the looking glass shit, it doesn't even make enough sense to be wrong (except that people are getting killed).

Anonymous wrote:The target has always been Hegseth, for both Democrats and Republicans.

The initial story was Hegseth ordered the killing of the survivors who were shipwrecked.
Now that story has fallen apart, so they are jumping to Hegseth is throwing the admiral under the bus, or that Hegseth ordered an illegal strike.

I absolutely believe the strikes are illegal, period. And the only falling apart I'm aware of is Pete claiming fog of war and Trump playing Sgt "I know nothing" Schultz.

AP says Hegseth claimed "fog of war."

Hoo boy. Once small boat not shooting at the Navy constitutes fog of war for Pete? He really must be drinking.

The target has always been Hegseth, for both Democrats and Republicans.

The initial story was Hegseth ordered the killing of the survivors who were shipwrecked.
Now that story has fallen apart, so they are jumping to Hegseth is throwing the admiral under the bus, or that Hegseth ordered an illegal strike.

What is surprising is The New York Times pushing back against the Washington Post's reporting.

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Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Calley served barely any time behind bars, he was under house arrest most of the time he was technically in custody. According to Wikipedia news media didn't even know he was dead for 3 months, and his death certificate says he had no military service.
I happened to look him up a couple of days ago. There were 10 or so other soldiers that I believe were never charged at all.
It's dispiriting how loathe we are to actually act on war crimes. Seemed like we got a tiny bit better with the 9-11 wars but between pardons and the Gallagher seal reinstatement and godawful Hegseth, we are now publicly not caring at all (not just about the boats, Hegseth wiping out a lot of rules pertaining to engagement and use of force. I think the people I most loathe in the administration are that pissant and Leavitt.

And the Army officer who single-handedly stopped - by putting his body between Calley and the villagers - and then exposed the massacre, Hugh Thompson Jr., suffered harassment and was not recognized for his heroism until 30 years later.

Oliver Stone was going to make a movie about My Lai, with the working title “Pinkville”, but it fell victim to the writer’s strike in the early 2010s. I think Shia LeBeouf was supposed to play Thompson. That would have been an incredible movie.

Late summer or early fall the Coast Guard intercepted and boarded a vessel--ACTUALLY following the statute that applies to drug interdiction in international waters. They seized 50 tons of cocaine and arrested 86 people. Big boat=connections to people with the money to buy or hire it. How many small boats would it take to haul that quantity of drugs? What are the odds that most of the people on the small boats were primarily not drug traffickers but fishermen and other coastal peoples with little money who were willing to take a gamble for $500 to support their families?

Let's say that the typical DEA operation carrying out a large scale investigation in an American city, instead of building a multi-count indictment against dozens of people, instead blasted every 12 year old lookout on a street corner, every dude in a car delivering the goods to customers, or just blew up suspected contact points for people higher up the chain. OIs what they're doing any more ok because they're not doing it on US soil?

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Anonymous wrote:are there and DEIs to blame it on?

The DEI guy quit. So no.

He wasn't DEI. He was however a smart, patriotic man not prone to a swarmy conman and his sidekick puppet.

Neither is anyone else accused of being a “DEI hire”. But I agree with you - he seems like a man with a moral compass who quit rather than follow illegal orders

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Oh my. That’s a surprise.

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They gave the report to the person they were investigating??

😩

Exactly. Make that make sense.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:are there and DEIs to blame it on?

The DEI guy quit. So no.

He wasn't DEI. He was however a smart, patriotic man not prone to a swarmy conman and his sidekick puppet.

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They gave the report to the person they were investigating??

😩

Anonymous wrote:are there and DEIs to blame it on?

The drunkard is the I and A in DEIA.