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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

What Crow, Slotkin, Houlahan and the others are saying is that our armed forces are trained to know what’s illegal and what’s not illegal.

This. Trump is an a$$ but those Dems are also.

Since when is reminding people of Article 92 of the UCMJ "being an ass?" Sorry, but that's a fail.

They were all veterans. My husband is retired military. There is a real concern that Trump will try to make the service members do something illegal. He is already requiring loyalty. Those Dems did nothing wrong.

There is so much illegality happening in the the Administration it's hard to keep up.

Trump already has. Extrajudicial killings in the Caribbean are unlawful.

+1 And his former SecDef said he wanted troops in the streets to shoot protesters in the legs in 2020. This just isn’t the reach Trump fans are trying to make it into.

Anonymous wrote:Not one of those former serrvice members on the video have given an example of an illegal order. Several have been interviewed and they all seem frantic when asked the question.

it is the implication and it shows extremely poor judgement. Service members are taught what to do. They don't need drama queens encouraging them to question their chain of command. Just because you don't like an order does not make it illegal.

There haven't been any illegal orders - yet. But it is manifestly clear that Republicans want to use Active troops domestically to suppress dissent. And Republicans are preparing for a stupid and unnecessary war with Venezuela.

I think it's fine for political leaders to remind officers of their Constitutional oath. And also to let these officers know they'll have some support if Trump and Hegseth issue orders that violate the Constitution. I don't see a problem. Absolutely no officer wants to be put into a position where they are questioning the legality of orders. But Trump and Hegseth clearly don't give a damn about rules and norms and laws.

Every officer is thinking ahead about what might be coming their way over the next three years. They didn't join to become Republican goons. And that seems to be what Republicans are demanding of military officers.

We haven't been in this situation before. Trump and Hegseth are not normal.

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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

What Crow, Slotkin, Houlahan and the others are saying is that our armed forces are trained to know what’s illegal and what’s not illegal.

This. Trump is an a$$ but those Dems are also.

Since when is reminding people of Article 92 of the UCMJ "being an ass?" Sorry, but that's a fail.

They were all veterans. My husband is retired military. There is a real concern that Trump will try to make the service members do something illegal. He is already requiring loyalty. Those Dems did nothing wrong.

There is so much illegality happening in the the Administration it's hard to keep up.

Trump already has. Extrajudicial killings in the Caribbean are unlawful.

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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

What Crow, Slotkin, Houlahan and the others are saying is that our armed forces are trained to know what’s illegal and what’s not illegal.

This. Trump is an a$$ but those Dems are also.

Since when is reminding people of Article 92 of the UCMJ "being an ass?" Sorry, but that's a fail.

They were all veterans. My husband is retired military. There is a real concern that Trump will try to make the service members do something illegal. He is already requiring loyalty. Those Dems did nothing wrong.

There is so much illegality happening in the the Administration it's hard to keep up.

I wonder if these 6 could sue Trump for defamation and slander. We know (from Clinton) that a sitting president may be sued while in office. And he is certainly misstating what they actually did and is calling for the prosecution and execution of them.

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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

What Crow, Slotkin, Houlahan and the others are saying is that our armed forces are trained to know what’s illegal and what’s not illegal.

This. Trump is an a$$ but those Dems are also.

Since when is reminding people of Article 92 of the UCMJ "being an ass?" Sorry, but that's a fail.

Anonymous wrote:I don't find anything wrong with what the Dems said. But on the other hand, there is something very wrong with Trump, and it's only getting worse.

+1000%

And it's also telling and disturbing that the people on social media defending Trump keep insisting he has the right to order whatever he wants, that all of his orders are lawful. That despite a good percentage of them being overturned by courts as unlawful. They dismiss that as "corrupt, rogue judges" and say judges should not have any say over what the President does - in complete betrayal of the Founders vision of separate, co-equal branches of government designed to keep checks and balances. This is straight-up authoritarianism and dictatorship, not the representative Constitutional Republic that our Founders designed. These people defending Trump are completely, indisputably un-American.

I don't find anything wrong with what the Dems said. But on the other hand, there is something very wrong with Trump, and it's only getting worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

What Crow, Slotkin, Houlahan and the others are saying is that our armed forces are trained to know what’s illegal and what’s not illegal.

This. Trump is an a$$ but those Dems are also.

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Anonymous wrote:So nothing? This is just more Trump diarrhea posting, but he's too weak of a leader and losing influence to make this actually happen?

Do you not understand that there are crazy maga out there that will consider this their personal patriotic duty to follow “orders” from Trump?

+1 Listening to an interview now with Rep. Houlahan and her staff reported Trump’s threat to the Capitol Police.

Jason Crow too.

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Anonymous wrote:He then also said to hang them.

Yeah, and…?

He doesn’t have the power or influence any more to elicit action. But one of his crazy MAGAs may do something on their own.

To wit:

Trump’s swamp and the holes they emerged from. They’ve always been here.
No choice but to keep beating them back into their 🕳️

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Anonymous wrote:Another 80/20 topic that Democrats are on the wrong side of.

Can you explain how supporting the US constitution is wrong?

Can you point to illegal orders? Not feels, actual illegality.

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Anonymous wrote:Well let’s face it. If you are in the US military or intelligence agencies and Trump gives you the order to kill a 3 year old you better do it.

If you refuse the Trump administration will arrest and imprison you. This is if you are lucky. They could just execute you on the side of the road.

There is legal protection because all the DOD lawyers are MAGA loyalists- ie no one is going to stand by you. This is the way the Russians do it.

The SS was "only following orders" in Nazi Germany too. Beria's KGB was "only following orders" when they disappeared/assasinated thousands of people.

At some point you need to stop and ask about ethics, legality and the Constitution before you hold that gun to the head of a 3-year old and ask yourself if you have any morality left. This "you'd better follow orders because he''s the President" is bullshit. You DO NOT swear loyalty to the President when you join the military. Your loyalty is to the Constitution, and your code of laws is the UCMJ.

That’s not quite how I’ve had it explained to me. Officers and enlisted have different oaths. Officers swear to uphold the Constitution. Enlisted swear to uphold the Constitution— and ALSO the President and Officers — according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Please feel free to correct this if its incorrect. I don’t disagree with the substance of your comments — just pointing out that someone enlisted, not an officer, would have to know and understand the UCMJ, and understand the need to defy the orders of the President or an Officer — because their oath to the Constitution supersedes the other demands of their oath.

Not one of those former serrvice members on the video have given an example of an illegal order. Several have been interviewed and they all seem frantic when asked the question.

it is the implication and it shows extremely poor judgement. Service members are taught what to do. They don't need drama queens encouraging them to question their chain of command. Just because you don't like an order does not make it illegal.