Robert Hansen was Opus Dei.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Waht? All of my teachers were married.

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Why post in a thread if you aren't even going to take the time to follow the discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:OPUS Dei is a cult.

No, it is a personal prelates of the Catholic Church. This was discussed above. Also, it does not confirm to the definition of cult. Religious experts do not consider it a cult.

All religions are cults. Of course religious figures will argue otherwise.

+1. The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.

Neither of you know what you are talking about, and it undermines whatever it is you are attenpting to do.

Not really. You did nothing to prove them wrong.

Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Waht? All of my teachers were married.

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Anonymous wrote:OPUS Dei is a cult.

No, it is a personal prelates of the Catholic Church. This was discussed above. Also, it does not confirm to the definition of cult. Religious experts do not consider it a cult.

All religions are cults. Of course religious figures will argue otherwise.

+1. The only difference between a cult and a religion is the number of followers.

Neither of you know what you are talking about, and it undermines whatever it is you are attenpting to do.

You are not using the term apologist correctly -- that is about the defense of faith as an intellectual exercise.

But since you likely meant to suggest PP was trying to underplay the abuses in the church, I don't see that comment this way at all. The past abuses in the church are an open public record (most of the abusers are dead or in prison). The current education and reporting program is state of the art and a model for other institutions and has been since the 1980s.

These are facts that are not apologietic nor suggesting in any way that the abuses were anything other than criminal, horrific, and traumatic.

At the same time, it is also true that other organizations are not and have not been forced to be as transparent and are proteced by our laws from doing so; have not undertaken the years of of work to construct a system of protection for children; and have ongoing abuses. To point out other areas of problems is not condoning the ones that are well publicized.

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Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Simply preposterous assertions.

To begin with, the vast, vast majority of teachers in Catholic facilities have always been women, and in the last fifty years mostly lay women who are free to marry and typically are married.

In any event, there is no evidence linking celibacy, particularly among women religious, to molestation of minors.

Celibacy obviously is not a factor in public schools, which are protected by sovereign immunity and unlimited public defense funds, and where the rate of abuse is estimated to be 100 times higher than that ever alleged against Catholic institutions.

The majority of alleged abusers are married men, and typically related to their victims.

I've read a lot of the survivor stories. It doesn't happen at school as much as it's centered around church activities. The teachers in K-8 do tend to be lay women. There have been a few cases of nuns who SA.

A lot of the children did something at the church like be an altar boy. The priest was often a family friend or made an effort to because friendly with the family. Then they did other activities with the child like taking them on outings or trips as trust was established with the parents.

It happens at all ages and does also involve teachers but mostly with teenagers. In my community there was a high school teacher who did the same but chose kids from school clubs and activities where he was the advisor. The kids do extra work on the activity after hours at the school or rectory or they go on field trips or overnights. Also coaches.

The difference is that public school gets rid of them, and Catholic schools shift the abusers around and protect them. Right this moment in Louisiana and Baltimore, the Church is doing its damnedest to keep records shut and protect the abusers. Shame on them.
There are approximately 1.6 million kids in Catholic schools and 49.6 million in public. There is no reality that the math of abuse shows better in Catholic schools than in public. Learn math.

“ Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

“Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

"[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

Catholic institutions have state of the art child protection programs, and have for decades. Public institutions, protected by sovereign immunity and with taxpayer funded defense, not so much.

The Archdiocese of Baltimore’s records are literally an open book, as evidenced by one-sided “investigation” reports. I suspect that the situation in the various dioceses in Louisiana is the same. Contrary to the popular Alinskyite blood-libel (which insists on lumping every alleged abuse allegation ever into a single moment and then judging them according to a unique standard manufactured to condemn Catholic institutions because of Catholic moral teachings), the now-published records show that for the most part, bishops and superiors did the best they could in individual cases, according to the social standards of the times and the advice they received from experts in those cases. That expert advice included at various times the recommendation that accused abusers could be treated and retired to work and/or reassigned away from temptation.

PP is a Catholic Apologist.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Simply preposterous assertions.

To begin with, the vast, vast majority of teachers in Catholic facilities have always been women, and in the last fifty years mostly lay women who are free to marry and typically are married.

In any event, there is no evidence linking celibacy, particularly among women religious, to molestation of minors.

Celibacy obviously is not a factor in public schools, which are protected by sovereign immunity and unlimited public defense funds, and where the rate of abuse is estimated to be 100 times higher than that ever alleged against Catholic institutions.

The majority of alleged abusers are married men, and typically related to their victims.

I've read a lot of the survivor stories. It doesn't happen at school as much as it's centered around church activities. The teachers in K-8 do tend to be lay women. There have been a few cases of nuns who SA.

A lot of the children did something at the church like be an altar boy. The priest was often a family friend or made an effort to because friendly with the family. Then they did other activities with the child like taking them on outings or trips as trust was established with the parents.

It happens at all ages and does also involve teachers but mostly with teenagers. In my community there was a high school teacher who did the same but chose kids from school clubs and activities where he was the advisor. The kids do extra work on the activity after hours at the school or rectory or they go on field trips or overnights. Also coaches.

The difference is that public school gets rid of them, and Catholic schools shift the abusers around and protect them. Right this moment in Louisiana and Baltimore, the Church is doing its damnedest to keep records shut and protect the abusers. Shame on them.
There are approximately 1.6 million kids in Catholic schools and 49.6 million in public. There is no reality that the math of abuse shows better in Catholic schools than in public. Learn math.

“ Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

“Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

"[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

Catholic institutions have state of the art child protection programs, and have for decades. Public institutions, protected by sovereign immunity and with taxpayer funded defense, not so much.

The Archdiocese of Baltimore’s records are literally an open book, as evidenced by one-sided “investigation” reports. I suspect that the situation in the various dioceses in Louisiana is the same. Contrary to the popular Alinskyite blood-libel (which insists on lumping every alleged abuse allegation ever into a single moment and then judging them according to a unique standard manufactured to condemn Catholic institutions because of Catholic moral teachings), the now-published records show that for the most part, bishops and superiors did the best they could in individual cases, according to the social standards of the times and the advice they received from experts in those cases. That expert advice included at various times the recommendation that accused abusers could be treated and retired to work and/or reassigned away from temptation.

Opus Dei is a cult. Women are indoctrinated so are kids

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Simply preposterous assertions.

To begin with, the vast, vast majority of teachers in Catholic facilities have always been women, and in the last fifty years mostly lay women who are free to marry and typically are married.

In any event, there is no evidence linking celibacy, particularly among women religious, to molestation of minors.

Celibacy obviously is not a factor in public schools, which are protected by sovereign immunity and unlimited public defense funds, and where the rate of abuse is estimated to be 100 times higher than that ever alleged against Catholic institutions.

The majority of alleged abusers are married men, and typically related to their victims.

I've read a lot of the survivor stories. It doesn't happen at school as much as it's centered around church activities. The teachers in K-8 do tend to be lay women. There have been a few cases of nuns who SA.

A lot of the children did something at the church like be an altar boy. The priest was often a family friend or made an effort to because friendly with the family. Then they did other activities with the child like taking them on outings or trips as trust was established with the parents.

It happens at all ages and does also involve teachers but mostly with teenagers. In my community there was a high school teacher who did the same but chose kids from school clubs and activities where he was the advisor. The kids do extra work on the activity after hours at the school or rectory or they go on field trips or overnights. Also coaches.

The difference is that public school gets rid of them, and Catholic schools shift the abusers around and protect them. Right this moment in Louisiana and Baltimore, the Church is doing its damnedest to keep records shut and protect the abusers. Shame on them.
There are approximately 1.6 million kids in Catholic schools and 49.6 million in public. There is no reality that the math of abuse shows better in Catholic schools than in public. Learn math.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Simply preposterous assertions.

To begin with, the vast, vast majority of teachers in Catholic facilities have always been women, and in the last fifty years mostly lay women who are free to marry and typically are married.

In any event, there is no evidence linking celibacy, particularly among women religious, to molestation of minors.

Celibacy obviously is not a factor in public schools, which are protected by sovereign immunity and unlimited public defense funds, and where the rate of abuse is estimated to be 100 times higher than that ever alleged against Catholic institutions.

The majority of alleged abusers are married men, and typically related to their victims.

LOL. You assumed that by poster using the word teachers she meant literal teachers in classrooms. Shows your sexism. S

he meant it as priests/preachers in a broader context as ones who "teach" Christianity to their pulpit.

LOL I assumed nothing. Catholic clergy are called “clergy,” “clerics,” and more typically “deacons, priests and bishops.” The only context in which the word “teachers” makes even vestigial sense is in the context of schools, which coincidentally are the only place one typically would find children gathered in a Catholic institution.

And nobody “teaches Christianity to their pulpit.” Well, maybe some people fo, but the pulpit, being inanimate, is unlikely to learn much.

So pitiful “rebuttal,” and completely ignores the complete failure of the PP blaming alleged abuse on celibacy when that is an irrelevancy.

Are you trying to argue that "clergy, clerics, deacons, priest, and bishops" do not engage in any form of teaching?

Teacher: someone whose job is to teach in a school or college

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/teacher

You must be our limited reading comprehension person. In your same link, it also includes, "a person who instructs or trains others".

.

And you must be our resident meanie

Information is mean? 🧐

For those that don't like to be proven wrong, yes, factual information can be an affront to their sense of self-worth.

That makes sense. I never thought of it that way.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do people expect when you limit your teachers to no marriage and celibacy? Then, you put a bunch of vulnerable children in their care.

Its like asking a starving lion to look over lambs.

Simply preposterous assertions.

To begin with, the vast, vast majority of teachers in Catholic facilities have always been women, and in the last fifty years mostly lay women who are free to marry and typically are married.

In any event, there is no evidence linking celibacy, particularly among women religious, to molestation of minors.

Celibacy obviously is not a factor in public schools, which are protected by sovereign immunity and unlimited public defense funds, and where the rate of abuse is estimated to be 100 times higher than that ever alleged against Catholic institutions.

The majority of alleged abusers are married men, and typically related to their victims.

LOL. You assumed that by poster using the word teachers she meant literal teachers in classrooms. Shows your sexism. S

he meant it as priests/preachers in a broader context as ones who "teach" Christianity to their pulpit.

LOL I assumed nothing. Catholic clergy are called “clergy,” “clerics,” and more typically “deacons, priests and bishops.” The only context in which the word “teachers” makes even vestigial sense is in the context of schools, which coincidentally are the only place one typically would find children gathered in a Catholic institution.

And nobody “teaches Christianity to their pulpit.” Well, maybe some people fo, but the pulpit, being inanimate, is unlikely to learn much.

So pitiful “rebuttal,” and completely ignores the complete failure of the PP blaming alleged abuse on celibacy when that is an irrelevancy.

Are you trying to argue that "clergy, clerics, deacons, priest, and bishops" do not engage in any form of teaching?

Teacher: someone whose job is to teach in a school or college

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/teacher

You must be our limited reading comprehension person. In your same link, it also includes, "a person who instructs or trains others".

.

And you must be our resident meanie

Information is mean? 🧐

For those that don't like to be proven wrong, yes, factual inform can be an affront to their sense of self-worth.