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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Yup. I know some legacy kids who started at Duke in the past few years (including some Asian-Americans) and they were amazed at the huge Asian population. And it isn't Asian that is the issue. It is the non-assimilated Asian kids who don't want to go to games, don't want to go to parties, and don't socialize like other kids. Again, there are plenty of very well assimilated Asian kids who do do this. And I'm not saying that every kid at a school needs to be 100% assimilated and exactly the same. But at some point you hit a tipping point where the culture changes.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Most of them aren't mean or nasty - they are just based on lived experience.

Interviews, essays, recommendations and activities are used to tease these things out. All those who want schools to be a "meritocracy" based solely on grades and test scores don't get this and don't appreciate this. It does not lead to a lively, fun, interesting campus community.

And no, I'm not racist. This applies to plenty of other groups, but is most prevalent in Asians. I'm Jewish and it applies to the stereotypical orthodox kid, but they tend not to attend these schools as much and there aren't as many of them so is not as applicable. I'm "nerdist."

Honestly, elite colleges need to start giving bonus admissions points for varsity (non-recruited) athletes. These kids know how to be social, interact with others, and cooperate. They are also generally outgoing and fun to be around.

No one wants to hear this, but Duke should absolutely admit more "lax bros," "head cheerleaders" and "football captains."

Why not admit more class presidents, Student Council presidents, Quiz Bowl captains, Mock Trial kids, Model UN kids, school play/musical leads, and other types of leaders? Varsity athletics are great but not the only activity that attracts outgoing, fun kids who know how to work with others??

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Yup. I know some legacy kids who started at Duke in the past few years (including some Asian-Americans) and they were amazed at the huge Asian population. And it isn't Asian that is the issue. It is the non-assimilated Asian kids who don't want to go to games, don't want to go to parties, and don't socialize like other kids. Again, there are plenty of very well assimilated Asian kids who do do this. And I'm not saying that every kid at a school needs to be 100% assimilated and exactly the same. But at some point you hit a tipping point where the culture changes.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. Most of them aren't mean or nasty - they are just based on lived experience.

Interviews, essays, recommendations and activities are used to tease these things out. All those who want schools to be a "meritocracy" based solely on grades and test scores don't get this and don't appreciate this. It does not lead to a lively, fun, interesting campus community.

And no, I'm not racist. This applies to plenty of other groups, but is most prevalent in Asians. I'm Jewish and it applies to the stereotypical orthodox kid, but they tend not to attend these schools as much and there aren't as many of them so is not as applicable. I'm "nerdist."

Honestly, elite colleges need to start giving bonus admissions points for varsity (non-recruited) athletes. These kids know how to be social, interact with others, and cooperate. They are also generally outgoing and fun to be around.

No one wants to hear this, but Duke should absolutely admit more "lax bros," "head cheerleaders" and "football captains."

This whole thread is so weird to me. My kid just started at Vandy and the freshman class is 20-25% Asian. A huge number of the freshmen are premed or engineering and are taking Gen Chem. A lot of the rest of the students are music performance and education majors, as Vandy has renowned undergraduate schools for both. There are lots of other minorities and a decent number of international students. Out of five kids running for president of my kids’ dorm are two Asians, one Black girl, a Latin American international student and one white guy. There are active clubs for almost every ethnicity. Yes, a good number of the white kids seem to be rich frat bro types who want to go into consulting or spoiled sorority princess types, but there are also a lot of working class rural white kids that Vandy does special outreach to enroll. It’s a running joke that almost no one attends the actual football games at Vandy, though people like to tailgate. Maybe that will change with the team’s improving record. It’s like the people on this thread are speaking about a caricature of Vandy and not what exists. I don’t know much about the campus politically, but a poll last year said 90% of faculty and 70% of students were planning to vote Democrat in the 2024 election, so it’s not some conservative bastion either.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who sends a kid to a Tennessee in this political climate is a sucky parent especially a dd

Keep your little Karen in training out of the south land!

Agreed on the values. But also any parent who plans for their daughter's abortion, but is too stupid to realize that they can fly them home to DC or MD...????

Anonymous wrote:It strikes me that Vanderbilt is upholding the liberal (I don’t mean Democrat) tradition of freedom and plurality of viewpoints as opposed to the illiberal left or right of some other campuses. What the Trump Administration is doing is wrong, but I applaud Vanderbilt’s willingness to stand for the best of university virtues when other schools feel the need to put a thumb on one side of discourse. It’s too bad the Ivy supporters can’t see this.

I agree with all of this.
Well said

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Anonymous wrote:If you believe all the anti-Asians, Vandy will soon lose its luster with the crowd that supposedly is the subject of this article as the Asian population is now approaching 20% and rising.

Yes, and then the high achieving whites who want to balance academics with a robust social scene will move elsewhere and another school will become hot and then it too will change over time.
It happened at Duke and Northwestern. My freshman is at Dartmouth and it's happening there too---the crowd has really changed since a cousin attended 5 years ago.
The smart but socially-oriented kids will move on. Probably next to somewhere like Wake Forest or back to University of Chicago (which is becoming more chill).

I know people will say this is just racist but it's just kids trying to find a place of balance.

Agree.
I personally like wake forest, Washington &lee, or even UVA, as long as white is the dominant majority, it’s fine.

White is the dominant majority at nearly all schools.

It’s funny how the mediocre white folks are coming out of the woodwork. No pretense that they can compete anymore so just retreat.

BTW, UVA is 31% Asian…also continuing to rise.

You mean 'compete' by posting a 1600 superscore and a couple of "national" EC accolades that were purchased by your dad in Seoul and perfected over a period of 15 years? Sure.

Turns out there are myriad other important factors for winning the long game, and the Harvard lawsuit document dump put those out there on display for the world to see.

But now some Asians are making up fake bubbly personalities in their apps. Then you meet them in college and you know it was done just to get in by fooling admissions.

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Anonymous wrote:DC is really torn between Penn and Vandy. Vandy ED1 is so much easier than Penn.

If they like both, I'd try Vandy ED1. It's like a 30% admit rate compared to far lower chances for Penn.

More like 13 percent in ED at Vanderbilt.

And that's if you're bringing it. That 13 percent is going to include the SEC athletes for D1 sports. Plus the offspring of the Gwyneth Paltrows and Mark Cubans of the world.

Vandy D1 athletes are accepted in the regular decision cycle, not ED

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Anonymous wrote:Published in their official student school newspaper…

https://vanderbilthustler.com/2024/04/06/three-students-expelled-following-student-accountability-hearings-faculty-criticize-university-response/

Ehh. Students in the wrong.
Good on this school for having a backbone.

Huh? Did you read the article in the context of this thread??

Liberals usually talk down to people with different political viewpoints. Going woke is hurting most elite schools among their moderate and conservative grads.

It strikes me that Vanderbilt is upholding the liberal (I don’t mean Democrat) tradition of freedom and plurality of viewpoints as opposed to the illiberal left or right of some other campuses. What the Trump Administration is doing is wrong, but I applaud Vanderbilt’s willingness to stand for the best of university virtues when other schools feel the need to put a thumb on one side of discourse. It’s too bad the Ivy supporters can’t see this.

Anonymous wrote:Call the senior development people at Duke and some of them privately will admit it has fallen greatly. On top of that they play games to keep it the giving rates in the low 20s %. Older alums are fed up.

Do you always make stuff up?

Nope

Anonymous wrote:Call the senior development people at Duke and some of them privately will admit it has fallen greatly. On top of that they play games to keep it the giving rates in the low 20s %. Older alums are fed up.

Trust me. You are wrong.

Call the senior development people at Duke and some of them privately will admit it has fallen greatly. On top of that they play games to keep it the giving rates in the low 20s %. Older alums are fed up.

Vanderbilt has long been the top university for my racist southern family.