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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

MAGA says no. MAGA also says no due process. The police can arrest anyone without charges, warrants, laws, etc. The only law is who has a gun.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

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Anonymous wrote:A bunch of boot tasters in the house!

Yum Yummy, right?

The MAGAs love them some deep state authoritarians, and what do you know, the Democrats stand for liberty, as usual.

Half of the “agents” are bounty hunters or criminal J6 pedos, so good luck with all that.

I assume you are the OP.

In any event, your hysterical posts are examples of mental illness on full display.

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Anonymous wrote:For the zillionth time, no one is upset about detaining or deporting criminals. In no way is the US government focusing on making our country safer.

A great deal of what ICE is doing is not just "doing their job."

And part of the reason for this is that the DHS/ICE higher ups are fanatics and, in many cases, not very intelligent nor familiar with the the Constitution.

I absolutely 100% support all peaceful protests even if I disagree with you. If you break the law, of course you should be arrested, that goes without saying.

The PP who seemed to celebrate the person getting run over and certainly present it as a threat: you must have a dark soul.

The people of LA are protesting the randomness, the cruelty, the military-style tactics.

This is not peaceful, pp.

And the person who was hit by the car brought it in himself. Hard to feel sorry for him.

OP’s allegiance likely aligns with the radical and violent ANTIFA rioters, who typically wear black (often with some red). Notice he not only brought a hammer to a “peaceful protest,” but is also wearing a tear-gas mask, in anticipation of provoking the police into using nonlethal riot suppression methods? These people carefully manufacture and curate their publicity stunts. Don’t fall for it.

No, I’m an American. You are a traitor to America and a fascist tool. You are going to lose.

*shrug*

The bounty hunters and J6 pedo law enforcement LARPers are going to end up getting chased out by real Americans everywhere. This is all just white power BS and mediocre white guy DEI stuff, anyway. Sad and transparent. There are plenty of veterans and active duty and law enforcement that care about America and they aren’t going to put up with this nonsense for long.

Good grief. You have totally escaped from reality.

Those attacking the ICE agents are being arrested.

I have't seen anyone "attacking" ICE - stop with the mythology. These thugs are gestapo-like terrorists under the control of Stephen Miller

If only there was this place called youtube where you can put in la riots and see cops attacked with rocks at a police station.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

Okay, sure, but then you need to be very honest about what you and the anti-ICE protesters are actually protesting for. You need to open about how you are protesting for and on behalf of BigAg. Otherwise, you are just a liar and a hypocrite.

Let us be clear: You are protesting to keep poor, vulnerable immigrants working in 110 degree heat for twelve hour days. You are protesting for child labor in slaughterhouses. You are protesting for working conditions that would horrify Upton Sinclair.

This is what you and the other anti-ICE protestors want. And that’s why there isn’t a lot of support for the protesters: because this is repulsive.

Why are you targeting migrants when they didn’t cause this problem? What about the businesses? What about consumers? What about state and local governments?

Let’s face it, you only care about migrants working in the sun because you’re racist and/or it fits your narrative.

Otherwise you would be voting for leaders who actually wanted to address these issues and solve problems. Has Trump said anything about raising wages for white farm workers? Has he said anything other than deporting people? We have a 4% unemployment rate…where are are these magical US workers?

Are you familiar with the workforce participation rate? It seems not. 4% unemployement doesn't mean 96% of eligible americans are employed. Its more like 62% of working age adults are employed. That is a sizable number of people who could be employed in various trades and other jobs where migrants are working.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191734/us-civilian-labor-force-participation-rate-since-1990/

I'm all for fining/jailing those that knowing exploit illegal immigrants.

Ok, then start with Donald Trump and work your way through every Fortune 500 company, Fortune 1000 company and just about every farm in the country.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

The democratic party you are wistfully referring to no longer exists. Democrats are now the party of the overeducated elites who look down their noses at blue-collar workers, sneer at flyover country, and mock the middle class when they said they were struggling the last few years.

We see who you are, not the idolized version you like to believe you are.

One must admit: the Midwest and the South are indeed vulgar, vapid, flyover country.

I cannot, for the life of me, figure out why democrats lost in 2024.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Native born Americans are not up to working in the fields and slaughterhouses, no matter how much you pay. And the more you pay the workers, the higher food prices are, so catch-22. Yes, in Adam Smith's world, the conservative view you express is accurate, but that isn't reality in the USA in 2025.

Okay, sure, but then you need to be very honest about what you and the anti-ICE protesters are actually protesting for. You need to open about how you are protesting for and on behalf of BigAg. Otherwise, you are just a liar and a hypocrite.

Let us be clear: You are protesting to keep poor, vulnerable immigrants working in 110 degree heat for twelve hour days. You are protesting for child labor in slaughterhouses. You are protesting for working conditions that would horrify Upton Sinclair.

This is what you and the other anti-ICE protestors want. And that’s why there isn’t a lot of support for the protesters: because this is repulsive.

Why are you targeting migrants when they didn’t cause this problem? What about the businesses? What about consumers? What about state and local governments?

Let’s face it, you only care about migrants working in the sun because you’re racist and/or it fits your narrative.

Otherwise you would be voting for leaders who actually wanted to address these issues and solve problems. Has Trump said anything about raising wages for white farm workers? Has he said anything other than deporting people? We have a 4% unemployment rate…where are are these magical US workers?

Are you familiar with the workforce participation rate? It seems not. 4% unemployement doesn't mean 96% of eligible americans are employed. Its more like 62% of working age adults are employed. That is a sizable number of people who could be employed in various trades and other jobs where migrants are working.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191734/us-civilian-labor-force-participation-rate-since-1990/

I'm all for fining/jailing those that knowing exploit illegal immigrants.