Yes it is a good thing. Also let’s stop accepting fake international students (Indian American kids who are sent to live in India and apply as international, maybe other countries too), and let’s limit the crazy tiger culture that is spreading among the US students!

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Anonymous wrote:What makes a top school desirable is the strength of the peer group. Lowering the quality of the student body hurts America in many ways. Besides, a lot of foreign students end up staying in the US after graduation (legally!) and are very, very successful. My Wall Street boss is an example. He pays millions in taxes every year and employs hundreds of US citizens.

First of all, in no way would any Ivy League school have to “lower the quality of the student body.” However, I’m going to guess you’re fine with “lowering the quality of the student body” when it serves the purpose of promoting diversity?

No, because the URMs at Harvard and other top colleges are just as brilliant as anyone else admitted.

Anonymous wrote:I think America should close its doors for 4 years for everything. No more imports, no more foreigners. Try it out for 4 years and let’s see how quickly you become Mississippi….

The same Mississippi that has a higher GDP than the EU average and every country except Germany (which exceeds Mississippi by about €1,500?)

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2025/01/06/how-do-americas-poorest-states-compare-to-europes-largest-economies

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

International students are a major source of funding. They are almost all full pay (sometimes at higher rates than Americans) so they subsidize financial aid as well as their programs of study.

If the government were paying for universities - as it could and arguably should, so that everyone could have a low-cost or free education - then maybe we could talk about it. But as it is, limiting international students would just reduce what the university can afford to do for Americans.

I always love this argument - the rich foreigners are "full pay" - as if full pay is a good thing given the outrageous cost of a college education in the US. This is how you people get around admitting the middle class kids - just admit a few poor students and mix them in with the elitist snobs that can afford "full pay" and you're good!

The “foreign students subsidize US students”talking point is so funny because it is basically these schools admitting that “need blind” and “meets full need” is all BS. They can afford to be “need blind” for the 3/4 of their students from the US because they aren’t need blind for the 25% that come from somewhere else. In other words, they aren’t really need blind. The ridiculous thing is that there are plenty of US students who would happily fill the 25% if the school not being need blind is part of the deal. Of course, most of those students wouldn’t make the colleges’ diversity stats look better, which is the real reason they wouldn’t do it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why not ban foreigners from competing in the US Open Tennis grand slam? That way, more US players can qualify and play in the tournament. Is that a good thing? Will you buy tickets to a much, much more mediocre tournament? Will you enjoy the tournament without foreign players?

Now ask the same question about colleges.

Stupid analogy. The US Open Tennis Tournament is not funded with US taxpayer dollars. US colleges are, both in terms of research grant funds and with substantial financial aid programs without which the colleges would be unable to operate. Since US colleges cannot subsist without federal financial support, it is not unreasonable for the federal government to limit the number of foreigners taking advantage of said institutions.

DP. You are the ignorant one. US colleges are not funded by tax dollars. Research and faculty/student scholars are.

It's actually a good analogy, but you're too blinded by propaganda to notice.

Anonymous wrote:What makes a top school desirable is the strength of the peer group. Lowering the quality of the student body hurts America in many ways. Besides, a lot of foreign students end up staying in the US after graduation (legally!) and are very, very successful. My Wall Street boss is an example. He pays millions in taxes every year and employs hundreds of US citizens.

First of all, in no way would any Ivy League school have to “lower the quality of the student body.” However, I’m going to guess you’re fine with “lowering the quality of the student body” when it serves the purpose of promoting diversity?

Anonymous wrote:Students from China are what make our universities great. Prior to their enrollment the US university system was substandard.

Sure. Knowing how to cheat is what makes a university great. So many Chinese students cheat to get into US colleges and cheat when they arrive. Sure there are some really hard working and brilliant Chinese students but it is astounding how many are cheating in college.


From this article: https://lamag.com/featured/ucla-cheating

At the same time as the Varsity Blues scandal a Chinese cheating ring at UCLA was discovered. Liu Cai came from Bejing to attend UCLA. He hired ringers would show up to testing sites with fake Chinese passports bearing their own photos but with the names of the clients. He helped at least 40 Chinese nationals obtain student visas by fraudulently taking the TOEFL, an English proficiency exam, on their behalf. Where Cai slipped—and where investigators caught up to him—was charging 39 test registration payments to his credit card.

A survey of 14 public universities by The Wall Street Journal found that in the 2014-15 school year, those universities reported cheating among international students at a rate five times higher than among domestic students. In 2018 a professor at UC Santa Barbara told the Los Angeles Times that Chinese students comprise 6 percent of the student body but account for a third of plagiarism cases. A 2016 study conducted by United Kingdom newspaper The Times says that students from outside the European Union were four times more likely to cheat than U.K. and European Union students.

In 2016 Reuters reported that the University of Iowa was investigating at least 30 students—most, if not all, believed to be Chinese—over allegations of cheating. In 2015 federal prosecutors in Pennsylvania indicted 15 Chinese nationals for a standardized test-taking scheme similar to the UCLA case.

Anonymous wrote:Collèges are closing all over the country. There is room for every American who is capable of college work, plus many who are not.

Harvard has always been a bastion of elitism. Once it was class. Briefly it was academic prowess. Now it’s some other combined formula of achievement, money and ambition.

It has never been a pure meritocracy. Those claiming they are owed a spot there might look at the broader picture of haves and have nots in this country. You want yours, but seem to have little concern with what others will never have.

The sense that the greatest power and prestige are just within grasp, keeps people focused on the dream of that little brass ring. Whoosh there goes our democracy. There goes medical research.

Foreign students occupying some seats there hardly matter.

“Some?” It’s 1 out of 4 seats occupied by foreign students.

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Anonymous wrote:Wouldn't it be a good thing if the top US schools educated and prepared more US students? Is what's happening at harvard a blessing in disguise?

Maybe the government should limit the number of international students at all top schools. Getting in and the cost of attending is just too much.

International students are a major source of funding. They are almost all full pay (sometimes at higher rates than Americans) so they subsidize financial aid as well as their programs of study.

If the government were paying for universities - as it could and arguably should, so that everyone could have a low-cost or free education - then maybe we could talk about it. But as it is, limiting international students would just reduce what the university can afford to do for Americans.

I am for intl students being enrolled, but my kid is at a T20, and I am surprised that probably the 25 I have spoken to are all receiving aid. Zero told me they are full pay. I used to think as you do now.

International students at Harvard get the same financial aid as US citizens. I can’t find a number for Harvard, but USNWR says 40% of international students (from schools that report a #) are on financial aid, and I would assume that number would be higher for Harvard, since they are so much more generous with regard to aid in general.

What schools charge higher tuition for international students?

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Anonymous wrote:He's handing China a huge win. They are becoming the dominant country for research globally. If their best students stay in China, it is good for them long term.

There are videos on Chinese platforms thanking Trump. They said the best and brightest often left for places like Harvard. Hong Kong University of Science and Tech just offered unconditional acceptance for all Harvard students.

#braindrain.

Thanks, MAGA. /s

Yes, I believe everything that’s on Chinese media platforms. They can be trusted.

Well, just check for yourself. A newsweek article on this, and you can go see for yourself. https://hkust.edu.hk/news/hkust-opens-doors-harvard-students-amid-global-academic-shifts
Other countries would love to have universities like ours that have attracted the top talent from across the world. The attack on and destruction of universities and scientific research by the current administration will lead to a shift in top talent to other countries, no doubt about it. I am only surprised how quickly that Hong Kong university reacted.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of people don't understand the concept of soft power. We end up having heads of state of other countries who were educated at Harvard, that helps the US. Same thing with Aid, we pay that money and buy goodwill to the US.

Trump is speed running the US's influence into the ground and China is running to pick up the pieces.

Basically, Trump is handing global influence to China.

+1. But maga are populist nativists who want to isolate the US. They do not understand why global influence is important to our national security.

-former R

I'm a dem and understand global influence. You are overstating the case and you know it. I'm not a maga and I'm all for things being reconfigured. Stop pretending. American students are having a very hard time getting in to colleges and getting jobs. It's time we look at how importing students and workers is hurting our population. It's like NAFTA all over again.

Stop pretending that this isn't hurting the citizens in this country.

Could it be that said American students who cannot get in and get jobs are inferior? “Our” population is all imports anyway, no?

Anonymous wrote:I think America should close its doors for 4 years for everything. No more imports, no more foreigners. Try it out for 4 years and let’s see how quickly you become Mississippi….

You people are such elitists, it's actually disgusting

PP speaks the truth though.

I enjoy winning when everyone is allowed to compete. I would have always had self doubt if I got into college because I was legacy, or international students were not allowed. Imagine winning gold in ice skating when the Russians are banned or winning Wimbledon in the 2000s while Federer was injured etc. It’s just not the same.

Anonymous wrote:I think America should close its doors for 4 years for everything. No more imports, no more foreigners. Try it out for 4 years and let’s see how quickly you become Mississippi….

You people are such elitists, it's actually disgusting

What makes a top school desirable is the strength of the peer group. Lowering the quality of the student body hurts America in many ways. Besides, a lot of foreign students end up staying in the US after graduation (legally!) and are very, very successful. My Wall Street boss is an example. He pays millions in taxes every year and employs hundreds of US citizens.