Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 14:38     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.


Yeah, we’ve been told the ad hoc telework should be fairly rare and definitely can’t establish any sort of pattern, even if it is only a couple of hours.

So if your kid has baseball practice on Wednesday and it would be great to be able to 6 hours in the office and two at home so you can drive him, tough luck.

But, I think you could do 10 hours one day (or 9 two days) in the office to make up for it, even if you don’t formally change your schedule since you would still have 42.5 physically in the office.


I was told that Maxiflex allows you to set a schedule like that.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 14:33     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.


Yeah, we’ve been told the ad hoc telework should be fairly rare and definitely can’t establish any sort of pattern, even if it is only a couple of hours.

So if your kid has baseball practice on Wednesday and it would be great to be able to 6 hours in the office and two at home so you can drive him, tough luck.

But, I think you could do 10 hours one day (or 9 two days) in the office to make up for it, even if you don’t formally change your schedule since you would still have 42.5 physically in the office.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 14:32     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You can work any schedule you want within the rules. Those rules have not changed. 10-2 core hours.
Ad hoc and situational telework also still available. I think we can all make this work.

One thing that will change - we will all burn through leave at a faster rate than we have before. But we do accrue it at a fairly quick rate so I think it will be fine.


First paragraph is not correct. You cannot work 10-2 in the office and then situational telework for the remainder of the of the day.


That’s not what PP is saying. Please read carefully before posting.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 14:27     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


7 - 3:30 (or even earlier) is pretty typical at agencies that don't offer other flexibility like telework. Plenty of DOD-types have had that schedule for years. "Sorry, can't make your meeting because vanpool leaves at 3:00."

When you're flexible with people, they can be available on your schedule; when you aren't flexible then they can't be either. Not a new phenomenon.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 14:18     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Yes, that’s not correct. 42.5 hours in the office per week, with rare telework in limited circumstances.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 13:42     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:You can work any schedule you want within the rules. Those rules have not changed. 10-2 core hours.
Ad hoc and situational telework also still available. I think we can all make this work.

One thing that will change - we will all burn through leave at a faster rate than we have before. But we do accrue it at a fairly quick rate so I think it will be fine.


First paragraph is not correct. You cannot work 10-2 in the office and then situational telework for the remainder of the of the day.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 13:37     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


Well, he’s wrong.


Is this at the SEc or elsewhere?
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 13:37     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
You can work any schedule you want within the rules. Those rules have not changed. 10-2 core hours.
Ad hoc and situational telework also still available. I think we can all make this work.

One thing that will change - we will all burn through leave at a faster rate than we have before. But we do accrue it at a fairly quick rate so I think it will be fine.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 13:19     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the union’s attitude of zealous advocacy, but The head dude was a bit much. When he maligns “management” for and says they want to torture us, he forgets that our group heads and supervisors that are staying will have some discretion and don’t want to torture us.


While it's true that supervisors are part of management that's not who he is referring to. It is very clear that he is referring to the agency leadership. Honestly supervisors have far more in common with the worker bees than they do with agency leadership.


Agreed. Leadership, even up to Division/Office senior leadership is right there with the staff in thinking all this is ridiculous. I’m not even sure some executive leadership is on board. Not that I have insider info for everyone at the agency but certainly in my chain of command, the managers hate what is happening to the staff.


My husband reports to his division's SO, and even the SO is reluctantly coming in. They're worn out, and it's only been a few weeks for them. This is a top-down decision, and no one has had the option to fight it. At this point, it's best to hope that some flexibility returns at some point in the next 12-18 months. However, I don't believe it will return to where things were in January 2025. The days of full remote work or predominantly remote arrangements (where people came in one day a week or so) are over.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 13:07     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


Well, he’s wrong.


That violates the CBA too. Core hours are 10-2. And even the RTO FAQs say that other flexibility provisions still apply. So your SO can stick it.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 12:37     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


Well, he’s wrong.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 12:37     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


To be fair, the 7-3:30 schedule is pretty disruptive.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 12:35     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I appreciate the union’s attitude of zealous advocacy, but The head dude was a bit much. When he maligns “management” for and says they want to torture us, he forgets that our group heads and supervisors that are staying will have some discretion and don’t want to torture us.


While it's true that supervisors are part of management that's not who he is referring to. It is very clear that he is referring to the agency leadership. Honestly supervisors have far more in common with the worker bees than they do with agency leadership.


Agreed. Leadership, even up to Division/Office senior leadership is right there with the staff in thinking all this is ridiculous. I’m not even sure some executive leadership is on board. Not that I have insider info for everyone at the agency but certainly in my chain of command, the managers hate what is happening to the staff.


Same - not at SEC but another financial regulator. My boomer boss would like people in the office 3 days/week but everyone thinks the total lack of flexibility is terrible.
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 12:01     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
Anonymous wrote:I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.


i really hope "SO" is "senior officer" here and not "significant other"...
Anonymous
Post 03/15/2025 11:37     Subject: Will SEC escape RIFs due to large number of exits?
I unfortunately have a SO who loves it and is telling people he isn’t sure they can do schedules like 7-3:30. He’s scheduling meetings from 4:30-5:30 and expects everyone to be there.