Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:52
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle school teacher in Baltimore county. I have very few students who are not Black.
We hosted a weekly club called Black Boy Joy, but we are no longer allowed to run the club and those boys will no longer get that time and attention.
Yes you can still give them that time and attention. Rename your club (kind of silly name anyway). Keep your same focus. Open it up to everyone. You might get a couple of White kids but so what. It would only be a problem if your program was in a 98% white school.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:16
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:I’m a middle school teacher in Baltimore county. I have very few students who are not Black.
We hosted a weekly club called Black Boy Joy, but we are no longer allowed to run the club and those boys will no longer get that time and attention.
This doesn’t make sense. Host the club without reference to race. It is Baltimore- the racial make/up will remain the same.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:16
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I absolutely detest the race obsession in this country. It’s 2025…..grow up, put your nose down, or your best and stop incessantly loookng for handouts and special treatment. Utterly ridiculous people. Oh, and some personal accountability would help overcome the pervasive victim mentality across the political spectrum.
Agreed. Time for white boys to put down the video games and start studying and applying themselves. Most of you don’t have real ADHD, you have just been stuck in front of a tablet your whole life and you don’t know how to think. Stop blaming everyone else for you and your parents poor decision making.
DP
This is a stupid attempt at gotcha. By almost every objective measures white kids outperform black and hispanic kids.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:13
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought this bit was interesting:
It would, for instance, be unlawful
for an educational institution to eliminate standardized testing to achieve a desired
racial balance or to increase racial diversity.
Work around: disability, ADHD, dyslexia...test optional.
Reasonable accommodation doesn't mean relaxed standards. The Stuyvesant test in NYC provides reasonable accommodation but everybody takes the test.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:12
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
I’m a middle school teacher in Baltimore county. I have very few students who are not Black.
We hosted a weekly club called Black Boy Joy, but we are no longer allowed to run the club and those boys will no longer get that time and attention.
We hosted a weekly club called Black Boy Joy, but we are no longer allowed to run the club and those boys will no longer get that time and attention.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 14:11
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They are talking about ANY student activities related to race/DEI. No Asian or AA student unions. AA frats or sororities? What about women’s organizations? This is stupid.
You don’t need any of those things. Just be inclusive to everyone.
The AA students associations are in fact open to everyone. There were always a few non Asians in the membership. There is no "Asians only" requirement.
Seems like the name alone creates exclusions. If someone made a White Girl student association do you think a Black Man is going to feel welcome even if they claim no White or female requirement? DEI people always claim inclusion but create nothing but exclusion.
Okay, this argument is on its face nonsense, but let's just look at the philosophy here. How is ANYONE being hurt by not participating in a WOMEN in STEM club or an International club?
There is no harm, so why the frack do you care?
So I really am disappointed by this— as a women of color in engineering groups like swe and girls who code really encouraged me as a kid.
My kids school wouldn't allow formation of Girls Who Code, unless they set up a club for boys to join as well.
If they set up a Boys who code,or Whites who code, you’re ok with that right? Is it only special groups for certain people?
I’m the PP 50 something woman and the issue is that every coding group or camp is 90% white male already. They don’t need a special group to provide them support. If you wanted a Boys in Childcare group, I’d cheer that on, or even a Boys Homework group or a Boys Social Service group. My nephew participates in a Boys Prayer Group. There are lots of spaces that are female dominated and I’d support affinity groups for boys/men to encourage their participation in areas where they may feel reluctant to engage because it is seen as too female. When my son was young and loved dancing, I considered a special boys dance class….but unfortunately his peers convinced him that dance was just for girls!
Coding camps are 90% white male? Do asians girls= white males in this statement?
Anonymous
02/20/2025 13:35
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:About time we end this unconstitutional nonsense.
The Civil Rights Act was also super clear on nondiscrimination based on race.
A ever complicated multicultural society like ours must be race blind.
Nice goal but we aren’t there.
+1
As evidenced by all of this backlash against 'DEI'.
DP.
Agree we aren't there and need to get there.
But I think DEI/AA are absolutely terrible ways to accomplish that goal. In fact, I think they contribute to preventing us from ever getting to an equal opportunity/race blind society.
So I 100% disagree with your conclusion about what the backlash against DEI "proves".
Anonymous
02/20/2025 13:30
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They are talking about ANY student activities related to race/DEI. No Asian or AA student unions. AA frats or sororities? What about women’s organizations? This is stupid.
You don’t need any of those things. Just be inclusive to everyone.
The AA students associations are in fact open to everyone. There were always a few non Asians in the membership. There is no "Asians only" requirement.
Seems like the name alone creates exclusions. If someone made a White Girl student association do you think a Black Man is going to feel welcome even if they claim no White or female requirement? DEI people always claim inclusion but create nothing but exclusion.
Okay, this argument is on its face nonsense, but let's just look at the philosophy here. How is ANYONE being hurt by not participating in a WOMEN in STEM club or an International club?
There is no harm, so why the frack do you care?
So I really am disappointed by this— as a women of color in engineering groups like swe and girls who code really encouraged me as a kid.
My kids school wouldn't allow formation of Girls Who Code, unless they set up a club for boys to join as well.
If they set up a Boys who code,or Whites who code, you’re ok with that right? Is it only special groups for certain people?
LOL. Good luck with that!
People should actually do this. I’d sign up my kids. After a while the left would complain and someone would take it to the Supreme Court and we’d either be allowed to have our groups or they would shut down all of this stuff. Either way is fine with me, but if we have black groups or girl groups then I definitely want white groups too.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 13:19
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They are talking about ANY student activities related to race/DEI. No Asian or AA student unions. AA frats or sororities? What about women’s organizations? This is stupid.
You don’t need any of those things. Just be inclusive to everyone.
The AA students associations are in fact open to everyone. There were always a few non Asians in the membership. There is no "Asians only" requirement.
Seems like the name alone creates exclusions. If someone made a White Girl student association do you think a Black Man is going to feel welcome even if they claim no White or female requirement? DEI people always claim inclusion but create nothing but exclusion.
Okay, this argument is on its face nonsense, but let's just look at the philosophy here. How is ANYONE being hurt by not participating in a WOMEN in STEM club or an International club?
There is no harm, so why the frack do you care?
So I really am disappointed by this— as a women of color in engineering groups like swe and girls who code really encouraged me as a kid.
My kids school wouldn't allow formation of Girls Who Code, unless they set up a club for boys to join as well.
If they set up a Boys who code,or Whites who code, you’re ok with that right? Is it only special groups for certain people?
Programs like those are designed to support groups that have barriers. To reduce discrimination.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 13:13
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:About time we end this unconstitutional nonsense.
The Civil Rights Act was also super clear on nondiscrimination based on race.
A ever complicated multicultural society like ours must be race blind.
Nice goal but we aren’t there.
+1
As evidenced by all of this backlash against 'DEI'.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 12:57
Subject: Re:Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
The race-based med school pipelines are pretty egregious.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 12:50
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:About time we end this unconstitutional nonsense.
The Civil Rights Act was also super clear on nondiscrimination based on race.
A ever complicated multicultural society like ours must be race blind.
Nice goal but we aren’t there.
Anonymous
02/20/2025 12:40
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This is beyond getting rid of affirmative action. They are talking about ANY student activities related to race/DEI. No Asian or AA student unions. AA frats or sororities? What about women’s organizations? This is stupid.
You don’t need any of those things. Just be inclusive to everyone.
The AA students associations are in fact open to everyone. There were always a few non Asians in the membership. There is no "Asians only" requirement.
Seems like the name alone creates exclusions. If someone made a White Girl student association do you think a Black Man is going to feel welcome even if they claim no White or female requirement? DEI people always claim inclusion but create nothing but exclusion.
Okay, this argument is on its face nonsense, but let's just look at the philosophy here. How is ANYONE being hurt by not participating in a WOMEN in STEM club or an International club?
There is no harm, so why the frack do you care?
So I really am disappointed by this— as a women of color in engineering groups like swe and girls who code really encouraged me as a kid.
My kids school wouldn't allow formation of Girls Who Code, unless they set up a club for boys to join as well.
If they set up a Boys who code,or Whites who code, you’re ok with that right? Is it only special groups for certain people?
LOL. Good luck with that!
Anonymous
02/20/2025 12:32
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Has anyone posted on this yet?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/17/us/politics/education-dept-race-based-programs.html
"The Education Department warned schools in a letter on Friday that they risked losing federal funding if they continued to take race into account when making scholarship or hiring decisions, or so much as nodded to race in “all other aspects of student, academic and campus life.”
I don't even know where to begin...I feel like I'm in that Harry Potter movie where the Ministry of Magic keeps issuing inane decrees
How ironic that you mention race base programs when you see that JK Rowling is trying to keep women who do not menstruate out of women's sports.
Ugh, really? Lots of biological females who are serious athletes sometimes stop having their periods when they are doing intense training, it's called secondary amenorrhea. Why do people like JK Rowling hate other biological females who don't fit their mold? Same goes for the obnoxious Karens who try to call police on butch-looking biological women when they go to the ladies' room like they're supposed to.
PP was referring to trans women, not females, when they said "women that don't menstruate".
Anonymous
02/20/2025 12:31
Subject: Dept of Ed Gives Schools Two Weeks to Eliminate Race-Based Programs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:About time we end this unconstitutional nonsense.
The Civil Rights Act was also super clear on nondiscrimination based on race.
A ever complicated multicultural society like ours must be race blind.
But that is hard to enforce. That is why affirmative action HAD to be introduced. The whites in the establishment would not have budged to take on blacks in certain places, even if they wanted to (for fear of alienation from other whites). The oppression was deep, hard, and almost never ending. In 1964, there was little hope. I know people who are still in the workforce who remember being the first black student at their elementary school in NVA. The teasing, the hair puling, the kicking. The long nights up crying. Those people are heroes and I honor them. They didn't go to school to learn primarily. Rather, they went to school to set a precedent. I simply do not trust groups to be civil and open minded enough to take on those who are different from them. Racism will likely get worse.
I went to teach in rural SC in the mid-1990s to take advantage of a government grant for certified teachers. I found out the high school had just been de-segregated in the 1980s!!!!!
That’s how long that County fought, went to court, ect…..I was shown the old African-American school. “separate but equal” my a$$.
This is exactly what Project 2025 wants. People that think these idiots only want to go race-blind by the test scores are missing the fact that this group lies & manipulated to get what they want. It’s real easy to not take test scores or overlook them and give a huge advantage to “recommendations”.