Outside of a few exceptions or if you cant afford it, there is no reason for a DCUM striver family to send your kid to a State University to hang around the Plebe…

The elites are not hanging out with the Plebe….

You send your kid to Sidwell only to see him/her end up at a State School….OMG

What social meltdown.

Using individual metrics and making an informed decision that fits your specific child is what I believe most parents would do. It’s unfortunate if the decision is purely based on the final US News ranking, but I have seen some status hungry parents go this route. And it doesn’t stop at college. The decision on grad school vs FAANG job, the brand of their kid’s first car are all driven by the same perspective. Life outcomes have also reflected this.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

When did I say more application??

How the general public decided is reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Almost 4 people out 10 can walk into UCD, and out of that less than 2 people are willing to attend.
The cohort quality is not that high. WF and Northeastern crushes UCD in every single factor.

Acceptance rate is a function of the number of applications (total number of applications is the denominator). One would think you would know this given how obsessed with it you are.

What part of the combination don't you understand?
Why are you obsessed with USNWR when it clearly displays flaws?

DP. In every other industry valuing the opinions of experts that have worked in that field their whole life and risen to some of the most senior positions is a given. When you are watching the news or reading a news article you depend more on what, say, a general says about military ability or a professional wine reviewer says about a wine or a certified medical professional says about a treatment more than random lay people. But when it comes to colleges, people can’t control their biases. Yes, USNWR is imperfect. Yes, it also is the best option if you value expert opinions. You may not care about the performance of Pell grant recipients, but that’s only weighted about 10% overall, half as much as expert opinions. And by the way, Pell grant recipients make up a third of college students nationwide. It should go without saying, but a campus where large numbers who need that financial assistance are consistently struggling just might not have as pleasant an atmosphere overall, even for those who don’t need the grants.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

When did I say more application??

How the general public decided is reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Almost 4 people out 10 can walk into UCD, and out of that less than 2 people are willing to attend.
The cohort quality is not that high. WF and Northeastern crushes UCD in every single factor.

Acceptance rate is a function of the number of applications (total number of applications is the denominator). One would think you would know this given how obsessed with it you are.

What part of the combination don't you understand?
Why are you obsessed with USNWR when it clearly displays flaws?

Nice try with the red herring (look it up). Let’s get back to the part where you don’t know how acceptance rates are calculated.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

When did I say more application??

How the general public decided is reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Almost 4 people out 10 can walk into UCD, and out of that less than 2 people are willing to attend.
The cohort quality is not that high. WF and Northeastern crushes UCD in every single factor.

Acceptance rate is a function of the number of applications (total number of applications is the denominator). One would think you would know this given how obsessed with it you are.

What part of the combination don't you understand?
Why are you obsessed with USNWR when it clearly displays flaws?

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

When did I say more application??

How the general public decided is reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Almost 4 people out 10 can walk into UCD, and out of that less than 2 people are willing to attend.
The cohort quality is not that high. WF and Northeastern crushes UCD in every single factor.

Acceptance rate is a function of the number of applications (total number of applications is the denominator). One would think you would know this given how obsessed with it you are.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

You stated such in another thread. Your opinion. USNews opinion is better than yours. You don't care for a particular school. Great.

The result, what actually happened is not my opinion.
Now, if you think USNEWS is better than the ground truth, so that believe UCD is better than Tufts or BC and Ruggers is better than Wake Forest or Northeastern, that's an opinion.

The reality is parents and students chose Tufts, BC over UCD and WF and NEU over Rutgers.

However, parents and kids did pick UCD over WF and Northeastern according to parchment…so explain that to us now.

No, parents and kids didn't pick UCD over WF or NEU.
UCD has 38% acceptance rate, yield rate is miserable 18%, and SAT was 1280 when accepting it.
Clear not a choice over WF or NEU.

You look at Parchment.
I look at the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Key takeaway from your specific posts: who gives a flying F what YOU look at? Sensible people will look at numerous reputable sources. Not some random DCUM poster who clearly doesn't know sh*t.

Yes, sensible people will look at numerous reputable sources and make decisions.
We can see how the general public made their decisions by the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate. That's the result of how people chose.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

When did I say more application??

How the general public decided is reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Almost 4 people out 10 can walk into UCD, and out of that less than 2 people are willing to attend.
The cohort quality is not that high. WF and Northeastern crushes UCD in every single factor.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

You stated such in another thread. Your opinion. USNews opinion is better than yours. You don't care for a particular school. Great.

The result, what actually happened is not my opinion.
Now, if you think USNEWS is better than the ground truth, so that believe UCD is better than Tufts or BC and Ruggers is better than Wake Forest or Northeastern, that's an opinion.

The reality is parents and students chose Tufts, BC over UCD and WF and NEU over Rutgers.

However, parents and kids did pick UCD over WF and Northeastern according to parchment…so explain that to us now.

No, parents and kids didn't pick UCD over WF or NEU.
UCD has 38% acceptance rate, yield rate is miserable 18%, and SAT was 1280 when accepting it.
Clear not a choice over WF or NEU.

You look at Parchment.
I look at the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Key takeaway from your specific posts: who gives a flying F what YOU look at? Sensible people will look at numerous reputable sources. Not some random DCUM poster who clearly doesn't know sh*t.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

No, more applications doesn’t mean the general public thinks a place is better school overall. There could be any number of reasons why a school might get more applications separate from its educational quality, like the application requires no additional work (Northeastern doesn’t have a required supplemental essay), a school is closer to home, or a school is more affordable.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

You stated such in another thread. Your opinion. USNews opinion is better than yours. You don't care for a particular school. Great.

The result, what actually happened is not my opinion.
Now, if you think USNEWS is better than the ground truth, so that believe UCD is better than Tufts or BC and Ruggers is better than Wake Forest or Northeastern, that's an opinion.

The reality is parents and students chose Tufts, BC over UCD and WF and NEU over Rutgers.

However, parents and kids did pick UCD over WF and Northeastern according to parchment…so explain that to us now.

No, parents and kids didn't pick UCD over WF or NEU.
UCD has 38% acceptance rate, yield rate is miserable 18%, and SAT was 1280 when accepting it.
Clear not a choice over WF or NEU.

You look at Parchment.
I look at the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

Except for the kids that were accepted to both and chose UCD over both.

Stop crying like a b**tch and produce this comprehensive list you claim to have compiled.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

You stated such in another thread. Your opinion. USNews opinion is better than yours. You don't care for a particular school. Great.

The result, what actually happened is not my opinion.
Now, if you think USNEWS is better than the ground truth, so that believe UCD is better than Tufts or BC and Ruggers is better than Wake Forest or Northeastern, that's an opinion.

The reality is parents and students chose Tufts, BC over UCD and WF and NEU over Rutgers.

However, parents and kids did pick UCD over WF and Northeastern according to parchment…so explain that to us now.

No, parents and kids didn't pick UCD over WF or NEU.
UCD has 38% acceptance rate, yield rate is miserable 18%, and SAT was 1280 when accepting it.
Clear not a choice over WF or NEU.

You look at Parchment.
I look at the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

You stated such in another thread. Your opinion. USNews opinion is better than yours. You don't care for a particular school. Great.

The result, what actually happened is not my opinion.
Now, if you think USNEWS is better than the ground truth, so that believe UCD is better than Tufts or BC and Ruggers is better than Wake Forest or Northeastern, that's an opinion.

The reality is parents and students chose Tufts, BC over UCD and WF and NEU over Rutgers.

See, the problem is this isn’t “the reality.” Most people are not making this choice. For most people, universities are not perfect substitutes, and they are only considering a small number of schools based on a wide range of factors, including cost, geographic proximity, familiarity, and specific major or program.

This is how the whole conversation got started. You didn’t like that I claimed in response to another poster that “normal Americans” not only don’t have a view on whether UGA is top 50, they don’t have a view on most universities in general. And they would likely consult something like USNWR if they wanted a view.

Your “reality” doesn’t take any of this into account. Sure, it can give us some generalizations (Ivies plus a few others are top, a bunch of unknown schools are bottom), but it can’t tell us specifically where schools fall. Just like most “normal Americans” can’t either.

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Anonymous wrote:Blindly believing in USNWR vs Looking into actually what happened.

I choose latter.

I choose to use U.S. News rankings as a reference, and I interpret schools ranked in the top 50 by U.S. News as being among the top 50 schools. Why is this perspective so controversial? For example, Case Western and Tulane are not currently ranked in the top 50, so I do not consider them top 50 schools. Similarly, if Northeastern University (currently ranked 54) moves into the top 50 in the future, then it would be considered a top 50 school. It’s a simple and straightforward approach.

For those who dislike U.S. News rankings, my suggestion is simple: don’t rely on them. If the rankings are truly unimportant, why do you seem so well-versed in them?

To the poster above: I recommend working on your writing skills. I had difficulty understanding your point due to unclear phrasing.

You can choose whatever you choose just like different people choose differently .
I simply point out that we have a comprehensive result by 10 million students' collective choices.

According to the result, the general public clearly chose Northeastern over Rutgers or UGA.
In the real world, Northeastern is ranked higher than Rutgers or UGA by the general public.

Huh? Kids accepted to Northeastern and UGA picked UGA 60/40.

The general public has absolutely nothing to say about Northeastern…except maybe to ask…did you mean Northwestern?

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Anonymous wrote:I think of UGA when I think of T50.

Well, it is. #46 🙂

When any normal American thinks of UGA they dont think TOP 50…..sorry….most Americans dont even think about UGA….unless it is football….sorry.

Truth is, NO State School other that UCs and Michigan and maybe….UVA at t50…..and that is it…..it is private world….whether state people like it or not…

Normal Americans don’t think about this…sorry…most Americans don’t think about most universities…and can’t even name the schools in the Ivy League…sorry.

Truth is, when someone thinks about where a school falls comparatively…sorry…they look blindly at USNWR…sorry.

Nope, if that's the case USG would get relatively low acceptance rate with full of high stat kids. That's not the case... sorry.
Normal Americans pay good attention to what they pay especially something as big as college.
While USNWR is one of the most influential references, it's still a reference.

Every year, 10 million students collectively rank schools, apply, and commit. That is the real ranking.
We get the ground truth every year and it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

The mental gymnastics on this are really something to behold.

Are you one of the fools blindly go by USNWR??

No, but I have enough awareness and perspective to realize that most Americans are happy to just send their kids in state, they don’t obsess over rankings, and for most people USNWR is the only ranking they are likely aware of, or at least the first place they would look if trying to figure out if a school is “good” or not.

This place is a bubble. The hyper-fixation/obsession with how prestigious a school is is a bubble. DC is a bubble. Most people are not like this. Sorry.

Bottom line is that again we get a real ranking by 10 million students every year vs imaginary rankings by magazines.
We get the collective actions by 10 millions students. That's just a fact.
That's just a fact.

I am confused…so what is this so called ranking of which you speak based on applications?

Considering you have kids submitting 20+ applications to schools, what does what your write tell us about anything?

Does that mean the schools that get the most applications are the best?

I said it's reflected in the combination of acceptance rate + yield rate + cohort quality, and additionally retention rate + graduation rate.

For example very top schools like MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton get extremely low acceptance rate + very high yield rate + very top cohort quality + very high retention and graduation rate. This the result of collective actions by all the students actually taking actions. This is the real true ranking in the real world.

Those are top ranked by USNews…so why go through all your calculations when you have a readily accessible source.

USNews have some entries far from the reality. For example schools like Rutgers.
You are free to just blindly go with USNews. Many don't, and at the end every year, we have the actual in the real world how all the students ranked the schools collectively.

Parents and students will take USNews rankings ( yes including solid public schools like Rutgers) over your dumbass musings.

Nope, again the reality is Rutgers has high acceptance rate(students can easily walk in as low demand), low yield(even as a state flagship), full of 1200 SAT students.
So in reality parents and students don't just take USNews rankings. That's the reality in the real world not USNRW imaginary world.

I'm just pointing out that every year, we get the actual ground truth.

Rutgers is a fantastic and vital institution. As a state flagship university, it fulfills multiple roles, offering a diverse range of opportunities—from training nurses to educating future aerospace engineers. Few private schools, even among the top 50, provide such a broad spectrum of educational programs to serve their communities. Rutgers excels in doing so while remaining accessible through various admissions pathways. It deserves admiration and praise for the opportunities it provides.

Regarding the strength of its student body, I am confident that the top students at Rutgers can compete with those from any university in the United States. While some people may prioritize status and equate it with a college’s level of selectivity, I challenge this narrow perspective. To those individuals, I would say: Continue clinging to your limited view of the world—just remember that your elite-educated children might one day work for a graduate of a so-called "low-ranked" state school. That’s often how the real world operates.