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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

How do you know this? If you know this much about employee locations and office square footage - you SHOULD be in a position to impact this. Look for more office space, do hotel desks etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

Why people are so concerned about RTO?

+1. The panic is downright bizarre. To me it gives credit to the argument that people are working less at home. Doing laundry, prepping dinner, picking up kids from school and not paying for aftercare. Otherwise they wouldn’t be in panic mode at the thought of going back.

you do understand the big difference between an uncertain driving commute and being able to walk to the school to pick up your kid, right?

right now, i can sign off from my desk at home as late as 5:45 and leisurely walk to get my kiddo before 6pm when aftercare ends. If I have to be at the office, I have to be out the door well before 5 because while *most days* it only takes 20 minutes to drive during rush hour, sometimes it can take over an hour. but if I have to leave the office by 4:45, that means I have to *get to* the office by 8am, which suddenly means either my partner (and I'm lucky to have a partner, not every parent does) is doing drop off (can't drop off until 8:15), I'm taking an hour of leave every school day, trying to hire someone *just* to walk the kiddo to and from school (ahahaha, good luck with that), or if I'm really lucky I'm doing maxiflex and putting an hour+ of remote work in every night after dinner. It's a stupid expense and burden AND I get less work done.

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You leave your kid aftercare till 6 pm? You work from home - the benefit being your kid shouldn’t need or be in aftercare upwards of 3 hours daily anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

Why people are so concerned about RTO?

+1. The panic is downright bizarre. To me it gives credit to the argument that people are working less at home. Doing laundry, prepping dinner, picking up kids from school and not paying for aftercare. Otherwise they wouldn’t be in panic mode at the thought of going back.

you do understand the big difference between an uncertain driving commute and being able to walk to the school to pick up your kid, right?

right now, i can sign off from my desk at home as late as 5:45 and leisurely walk to get my kiddo before 6pm when aftercare ends. If I have to be at the office, I have to be out the door well before 5 because while *most days* it only takes 20 minutes to drive during rush hour, sometimes it can take over an hour. but if I have to leave the office by 4:45, that means I have to *get to* the office by 8am, which suddenly means either my partner (and I'm lucky to have a partner, not every parent does) is doing drop off (can't drop off until 8:15), I'm taking an hour of leave every school day, trying to hire someone *just* to walk the kiddo to and from school (ahahaha, good luck with that), or if I'm really lucky I'm doing maxiflex and putting an hour+ of remote work in every night after dinner. It's a stupid expense and burden AND I get less work done.

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You leave your kid aftercare till 6 pm? You work from home - the benefit being your kid shouldn’t need or be in aftercare upwards of 3 hours daily anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

Why people are so concerned about RTO?

+1. The panic is downright bizarre. To me it gives credit to the argument that people are working less at home. Doing laundry, prepping dinner, picking up kids from school and not paying for aftercare. Otherwise they wouldn’t be in panic mode at the thought of going back.

you do understand the big difference between an uncertain driving commute and being able to walk to the school to pick up your kid, right?

right now, i can sign off from my desk at home as late as 5:45 and leisurely walk to get my kiddo before 6pm when aftercare ends. If I have to be at the office, I have to be out the door well before 5 because while *most days* it only takes 20 minutes to drive during rush hour, sometimes it can take over an hour. but if I have to leave the office by 4:45, that means I have to *get to* the office by 8am, which suddenly means either my partner (and I'm lucky to have a partner, not every parent does) is doing drop off (can't drop off until 8:15), I'm taking an hour of leave every school day, trying to hire someone *just* to walk the kiddo to and from school (ahahaha, good luck with that), or if I'm really lucky I'm doing maxiflex and putting an hour+ of remote work in every night after dinner. It's a stupid expense and burden AND I get less work done.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

How do you know this? If you know this much about employee locations and office square footage - you SHOULD be in a position to impact this. Look for more office space, do hotel desks etc etc.

I am not this poster but anyone who is friends with a few higher ups in their organization can get gossip like this It's not rocket science.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

How do you know this? If you know this much about employee locations and office square footage - you SHOULD be in a position to impact this. Look for more office space, do hotel desks etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt all of these people quitting jobs over RTO. How are you going to pay your bills if there aren't many telework jobs available?

Not everyone needs the money or get another job.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

How do you know this? If you know this much about employee locations and office square footage - you SHOULD be in a position to impact this. Look for more office space, do hotel desks etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

How do you know this? If you know this much about employee locations and office square footage - you SHOULD be in a position to impact this. Look for more office space, do hotel desks etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Spouse has been RTO for about a year. There is no office space. He drives an hour, scans his badge for attendance, and works from his car in the parking lot or a table in the cafeteria. He’ll go in the building for meetings, but then back to his car for phone calls. Then 1.5 hours home.

So. So. Dumb.

This is absurd. This will be my souse too. Find a random place to sit, even if he goes in really early.

If you can work from your car then you can work from anywhere. No way would I stick around to work in my car.

No one is. Fake news.

Yes; you can fit 20-30 people in a room. You cannot fit 1000 in floor space designed for 200. It's just not possible.

If its an entire floor of a building you can fit a few hundred or more. There are no rooms anymore.

This. The closest comparison for how my company has done it is a school cafeteria. They run power strips down the center of the table in a very large room and you sit elbow to elbow with colleagues. Each seat has a docking station and double monitor. It's amazing how many people you can pack in, especially if you account for some being out sick, some on PTO, some on travel, some in a meeting, staggered schedules, some at lunch or on break, etc. The biggest issue has actually been parking and sufficient bathrooms--you can't increase the number of people at the site to such a large extent without those being choke points.

Anonymous wrote:We got rid of some office space during pandemic, remote employees have changed office location, although most remote employees are remote locally. Basically, some employees change teleworking status (before Covid) to remote status, with SF 50 duty station changed too.

There is no funding to get more office space (flat funding, majority of funding goes to employees' salary; while salary/other costs increase annually, there is not even enough money to fill every vacancy).

Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt all of these people quitting jobs over RTO. How are you going to pay your bills if there aren't many telework jobs available?

Anonymous wrote:I seriously doubt all of these people quitting jobs over RTO. How are you going to pay your bills if there aren't many telework jobs available?

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Anonymous wrote:What kind of work do people do where you can concentrate with many, many people around you speaking all of the time? A call center? This can't be anything that involves any sort of mental concentration.

Frankly, very low level worker bees are responding to this, no quality work can be done in such an environment.

Yes, I'm on Teams calls a minimum of 4+ hours a day with people all over. I don't understand how that will work when we are all doing that.

At my place of work, people have headphones on and speak when they need to speak at a normal but not shouting volume. Invest in good head phones that have a noise canceling feature and it really isn't that big of a deal.

It’s actually a big deal and teams is terrible at canceling our background noise on your mic when it another person talking. It negatively impacts the people in your meeting even if they are not in the office with you.