Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?
It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.
Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.
I think you are hoping that angry, detached people will step back and take a practical approach to intractable social problems. Some of us are old enough to see that the wealthy ownership class is ever tightening their grip on our political system. Voting has not worked.
I'm not saying shooting CEOs is a solution. It's not. Targeted murder is a violent act. A last desperate blow against the beast.
Those living comfortably in our system might not relate.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?
It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.
Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?
It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.
Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.
Replacing the govt doesn't do anything, because CEO$ and their lobbyists have ownership over our laws and who writes them. Go ahead and try to elect new politicians and a govt. They will just lobby it all away and water everything down because of Citizens United. Corpristons and Wall Street ruined the entire country with CU.
You can't keep telling 99% of the population to play by the rules in game you have fixed to never be winnable.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?
It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.
Replace the government. Killing a CEO just creates another CEO. Do you think UHC's replacement will be any different? Do you think we get to vote on the CEOs? We only can vote for politicians. Stop voting for the corrupt incumbents.
Anonymous wrote:Serious question. I have to ask, now that the CEO murder in Manhattan thread has exceeded 200 pages, plus
- Professor Zenkus at Colombia has publicly celebrated the murder;
https://www.wnct.com/news/national/killing-of-unitedhealthcare-ceo-uncorks-anger-at-insurance-industry/
And WaPo columnist Taylor Lorenz said the murder “feels like victory.”
https://www.rawstory.com/piers-morgan-2670403712/
I am shocked at these views. So I have to ask the obvious here:
- do you support murdering CEOs, as others apparently do?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had major spine surgery in March and then had hip surgery in August. The hip surgery has not been very successful, yet. I suffered from back pain for years before depleting all of the non-surgical options. I never once considered killing someone over it. Please do not justify murder. It is wrong under all circumstances. This man is not an "idol" or "hero" as some people around the US are stating. He is a cowardly, moral-less loser who should spend the rest of his life in prison.
Yes, thank you (and I am sorry for your pain).
The part of the message in bold is exactly what needs to rise to the top of this discussion. Luigi is not a hero; he is a vile murderer who shot a father of innocent kids in the back.
I am the OP, and I am echoing Jeff’s sentiments in his blog post, where Jeff expressed shock at all those people condoning this murder of a father, and some people even suggesting other CEOs should be murdered. If you feel this way, there is something seriously wrong with your moral compass and no amount of “whataboutisms” concerning the insurance industry come close to making up for premeditated murder.
Again, PP: sorry you are going through this; hopefully your situation improves dramatically as soon as possible. Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for being the voice of sanity and reason.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
But the CEO class is essentially running our government. Maybe not through being elected, but they are donating (aka buying out our politicians). And this is a problem on both sides of the aisle. So how exactly are the people supposed to “rise up” against politicians when they are funded by corporations?
It’s disingenuous to act like this CEO is just a “fellow citizen.” The reality is 99% + of citizens’ lives are in no way comparable to this guy. It’s not like he went after the little guy and shot a claims processor making 60k/year.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
It's very different to rise up against your government instead of hunting down your fellow citizens.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!
It’s very Pollyanna to say it’s never the answer because as history has demonstrated it clearly is.
If our government attempts a Holocaust 2.0 I would say a revolt is needed. If we continue with current tax and corporate policies and eventually 99% of the wealth is owned by 1% while many of the 99% are left homeless and starving then I’d say violence is reasonable.
Obviously there is subjectivity as to the tipping point when violence becomes necessary to fight against an evil. You may not think we are there yet (which is easier to say for an employed person with decent insurance who owns a home, etc.) But a lot of people feel we are already close (if not at) a tipping point as evidence by people not caring this CEO died.
We’ve had our political powers taken away through Citizens United and the reality is white collar criminals have a lot of financial resources to fight against charges. The playing field is not remotely level. If you don’t want violence, then what options do the regular folk have to fight back against the tyranny of the American corporation and its C Suite execs who are engaging in their own violence (albeit through the use of power and bureaucracy).
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:On one hand, I’m against killing, on the other, we are at war with murderous mega corporations who would see us suffer, go into bankruptcy, or die just to save a buck so carry on.
Most of the people trying to assassinate presidential candidates and other public figures are your left wing nut cretins. And it actually helped in getting the candidate you hate ( so much hate you side) elected.
So ironic.
Ridiculous allegation. Please provide Citation for any aspiring assassins who are LWNJs. The young guy (Thomas Crooks) who shot Trump’s ear st an Eimoand came close to killing him had an associate degree in engineering science and was a registered Republican. Now that’s irony.
- who donated to ActBlue.
I am not the PP you responded to, but I agree with her that the LWNJs are the people who are supportive of the Luigi the gunman’s actions.
Taylor Lorenz is a prime example of such a LWNJ. The tenured Columbia university professor is another.
But they are merely the tip of iceberg of LWNJs condoning murder here. And by “here,” I am not merely including DCUMAD.
I mean across the USA. Violence is never the answer!