Anonymous wrote:just read about some new ones tonight:

magic trick performer, with an official "show"
astrology/witch-tock
ping pong champion

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Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

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The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.

White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.

We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.

Watching the Olympics, I don’t see white people particularly good at team sports either. It was mostly black people contributing to the medals for the USA. White people are actually good at playing discrimination games because they’re the majority of this country.

However, on a pure numbers basis it was probably 50/50 between white and URM in total if you add up the team sports where the US medaled (basketball, women’s soccer, women’s volleyball and women’s rugby)…actually slightly more white.

27 out of 595 US athletes were Asian American. 10 of the 27 were badminton and ping pong.

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The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.

White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.

We watched the olympics, thanks. We know what Asians are good at.

Watching the Olympics, I don’t see white people particularly good at team sports either. It was mostly black people contributing to the medals for the USA. White people are actually good at playing discrimination games because they’re the majority of this country.

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The only thing white people are doing more than Asians are sports. Asians are doing origami, ukulele, circus and the rest of the junk mentioned here.

White people are doing better in team sports popular in US. Asians actually perform better in swimming, golf, gymnastics etc. Because these are sports where individual performance matters and Asians do not get blocked by their coaches or other parents.

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Anonymous wrote:One of my coworkers' wife, who is an AO at an Ivy, said this to me at the company last year Christmas party:

How to get rejected by Ivies:
- I have 4.0 GPA with 12 AP classes
​AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I am the violin first chair in the orchestra,
AO response: There are 1200 Asian kids with the same achievement

- I score 1570+ on the SAT
AO response: There are 1500 Asian kids with the same score as you

- I am an accomplished pianist
AO response: There are 800 Asian kids that can play piano just as good as you, if not better

- I found a nonprofit to help the homeless:
​AO response: There are 500 Asian kids that also do the same thing like you

How to get accepted by Ivies:

- I can play guitar like Slash of Guns 'n Roses. I can show you how I play "November Rain" or "sweet child o mine"
AO response: Now that's unique. We would love to have you at the university

- I have a TikTok influencer with over 2M followers
AO response: Amazing. You know how to monetize your influence. It means more exposure for the university. Welcome to the university.

You get the idea...

And this is why schools like Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Duke, and Northwestern prioritize “individual achievement, notoriety, success, or ranking” in non-academic areas.

These kids with some sort of fame, including an individual random “hobby” that will garner continued national recognition or achievement matter a lot more than a perfect scores and perfect grades.

A university wants successful accomplished and famous alumni.
A larger predictor of that is this exact type of individual drive/creativity and success in HS.
Test scores and grades do not get you there.
This is the entire point or reason behind holistic admissions.

Test scores a better predictor of success after college than almost anything else.
Everything from peer reviewed publications to financial success to scientific accomplishments.
If a 1600 SAT ukelele player is somehow more prone to success than a 1600 violin player, I would bet it has more to do with their risk tolerance and willingness to do new things.

Test scores are a predictor of someone doing well in a middle management job and maxing out at $350k a year.
That is not "success" in a T20 college eyes. Sure, they need some of those poeple....but they are willing to take a bet/leap on the more interesting creative kids who won't play by the rules.

Let me guess which one is your kid.

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

Agree. People are missing the point. Those schools want innovative thinkers and leaders, not worker bees. Sure, you have to be able to work hard and grind, but to what end? Something new and interesting, not just for a grade or to win some competition. That is why they take the Justin Bieber or the influencer. It's the charisma and leadership potential. Being president of the debate club doesn't;t really show the same leadership potential. They are looking for something special.

Crackheads are innovators and leaders? LoL
Quite to the opposite, those so called “worker bees” possess way more intellectual prowess than you crackheads and therefore are much more likely to be innovators . Creativity is an intellectual thing. You crackheads just don’t have it regardless how popular you’re on TikTok.

Last time I checked, Biden went to a no name school and so did Harris; However, people who attended HYPMS have to report to them. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

Agree. People are missing the point. Those schools want innovative thinkers and leaders, not worker bees. Sure, you have to be able to work hard and grind, but to what end? Something new and interesting, not just for a grade or to win some competition. That is why they take the Justin Bieber or the influencer. It's the charisma and leadership potential. Being president of the debate club doesn't;t really show the same leadership potential. They are looking for something special.

Crackheads are innovators and leaders? LoL
Quite to the opposite, those so called “worker bees” possess way more intellectual prowess than you crackheads and therefore are much more likely to be innovators . Creativity is an intellectual thing. You crackheads just don’t have it regardless how popular you’re on TikTok.

Last time I checked, Biden went to a no name school and so did Harris; However, people who attended HYPMS have to report to them. Go figure.

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

Agree. People are missing the point. Those schools want innovative thinkers and leaders, not worker bees. Sure, you have to be able to work hard and grind, but to what end? Something new and interesting, not just for a grade or to win some competition. That is why they take the Justin Bieber or the influencer. It's the charisma and leadership potential. Being president of the debate club doesn't;t really show the same leadership potential. They are looking for something special.

Crackheads are innovators and leaders? LoL
Quite to the opposite, those so called “worker bees” possess way more intellectual prowess than you crackheads and therefore are much more likely to be innovators . Creativity is an intellectual thing. You crackheads just don’t have it regardless how popular you’re on TikTok.

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

Agree. People are missing the point. Those schools want innovative thinkers and leaders, not worker bees. Sure, you have to be able to work hard and grind, but to what end? Something new and interesting, not just for a grade or to win some competition. That is why they take the Justin Bieber or the influencer. It's the charisma and leadership potential. Being president of the debate club doesn't;t really show the same leadership potential. They are looking for something special.

Crackheads are innovators and leaders? LoL
Quite to the opposite, those so called “worker bees” possess way more intellectual prowess than you crackheads and therefore are much more likely to be innovators . Creativity is an intellectual thing. You crackheads just don’t have it regardless how popular you’re on TikTok.

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

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There is no more than a few hundreds of kids in the USA with those numbers. SAT alone trims it to 700 hundred or so. so, no, there is no "oversupply" - in fact, there is no enough such candidates for HYPMS.

Also, randos doing origami and circus acts are not Justin Bieber.

If traveling around the country for circus and trapeze, hmmm.
And combine that with someone choreographing the performance to music, um hell yeah, I want that kid.

I don't know if anyone remembers back in 2007 that Joshua Bell, one of the world famous violinists, stood in front of a metro station and played for 45 minutes. Almost no one recognized who he was. Joshua Bell is a great violinist, but he does not produce anything useful, he just plays music by other composers. This is the perfect example of someone with a 4.0 GPA, a high SAT/ACT score, and tons of ECs. HYPMS doesn't want this candidate.

Now replace the same above scenario with Noel Gallagher, the songwriter and singer from the band Oasis, if you don't know who he is. He would be mobbed by thousands and thousands of fans. He writes and makes his own music. This is an example of someone that HYPMS wants.

​Can you see the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:What HYPMS looks for is someone with a unique ability. A candidate with 4.0 GPAs with 12 AP courses plus tons of ECs, while impressive, is a dime and dozen. A musician with potential like Justin Bieber or a Tiktok influencer with huge followers is unique. It is simple economics about supply and demand. There is an oversupply of 4.0 GPAs candidates with 12 AP courses plus 1600 on the SAT but not enough candidates with the potential of Justin Bieber. Of course, the school will take the candidate with the potential of Justin Bieber. It is not that hard to understand.

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There is no more than a few hundreds of kids in the USA with those numbers. SAT alone trims it to 700 hundred or so. so, no, there is no "oversupply" - in fact, there is no enough such candidates for HYPMS.

Also, randos doing origami and circus acts are not Justin Bieber.

There are way more than that super scored to 1600. You are thinking of a 1600 in one sitting.

AO once said a 1590 can be better than a 1600 depending on rest of applicant’s profile. Sometimes 1600 strikes AO as too “try-hard” introverted, perfectionist or 1-dimensional.

Remember - it’s all about dimension. Or sprinkling flavor. Or whatever these AO call it these days.