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Anonymous wrote:I was literally screaming at the TV when Trump kept asking her why she hasn’t done such-and-such on immigration in her 3 1/2 years in office. She is not president! He was! Why didn’t HE get it done?

He did. Biden/Harris came in on day one and started undoing what Trump did. They even stopped existing contracts to build wall and paid penalties for breach of contract. Then Congress passed a law saying they had to give the leftover material to border states to let them build a wall, and Biden/Harris sold off the material before the law took effect.
And of course Trump from day one managed to avoid using parole to let in illegals.

Does he have a better policy than putting kids in cages this time?

Anonymous wrote:I was literally screaming at the TV when Trump kept asking her why she hasn’t done such-and-such on immigration in her 3 1/2 years in office. She is not president! He was! Why didn’t HE get it done?

He did. Biden/Harris came in on day one and started undoing what Trump did. They even stopped existing contracts to build wall and paid penalties for breach of contract. Then Congress passed a law saying they had to give the leftover material to border states to let them build a wall, and Biden/Harris sold off the material before the law took effect.
And of course Trump from day one managed to avoid using parole to let in illegals.

I was literally screaming at the TV when Trump kept asking her why she hasn’t done such-and-such on immigration in her 3 1/2 years in office. She is not president! He was! Why didn’t HE get it done?

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there aren’t more people on both sides questioning why we “need” more cheap workers.

Cheap immigrant labor enables our worst practices. Sprawling car-centric development that requires cheap labor to maintain huge resource-sucking lawns? Check. Standard American diet that requires large amounts of cheap meat? Check.

If there is an end to this pipeline flow of cheap labor, then we might actually have to start making real choices about where to spend our money. Maybe meat and lawn mowing should not be cheap. Maybe agriculture and meat processing workers would actually get paid more and have better working conditions as a result of companies having to make the jobs good enough for Americans to accept.

I think Trump’s tariff idea needs more finessing, but maybe we should try and level the playing field for US production rather than keep buying Amazon crap made in Chinese factories that do not care about labor conditions or the environment.

So you will be fine with paying $5 for a single apple? Cool.

Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised there aren’t more people on both sides questioning why we “need” more cheap workers.

Cheap immigrant labor enables our worst practices. Sprawling car-centric development that requires cheap labor to maintain huge resource-sucking lawns? Check. Standard American diet that requires large amounts of cheap meat? Check.

If there is an end to this pipeline flow of cheap labor, then we might actually have to start making real choices about where to spend our money. Maybe meat and lawn mowing should not be cheap. Maybe agriculture and meat processing workers would actually get paid more and have better working conditions as a result of companies having to make the jobs good enough for Americans to accept.

I think Trump’s tariff idea needs more finessing, but maybe we should try and level the playing field for US production rather than keep buying Amazon crap made in Chinese factories that do not care about labor conditions or the environment.

I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.

Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist

The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a way to stop illegal immigration. Just make a law that says anyone crossing the border illegally is ineligible for citizenship. Why? Because if you don't respect U.S. law, you can't become one of it's citizens.

Problem is nowadays fewer people care about getting citizenship. Why should they? They don’t fear deportation, and they can get a lot of benefits regardless of their citizenship status, especially if they have a kid.

Democrats will just overrule that in a later amnesty.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone complained about Trump's actions on immigration as President, and went to courts to block him with all these nationwide injunctions. They celebrated as Biden reversed his policies. Now they claim Trump didn't do anything.

+1 They fought Trump every step of the way, and now say “Trump didn’t DO ANYTHING!!”

They know it, too. and o

It is the ultimate level of gaslighting.

You are here: --> “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

Anonymous wrote:Everyone complained about Trump's actions on immigration as President, and went to courts to block him with all these nationwide injunctions. They celebrated as Biden reversed his policies. Now they claim Trump didn't do anything.

+1 They fought Trump every step of the way, and now say “Trump didn’t DO ANYTHING!!”

They know it, too. and o

Paying the workers in cash?

A million dollars in cash in suitcases?

And no one knows anything.

Something smells...

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October 11, 2024 | ABC4

CHARLEROI, Pa. — Charleroi has become a flash point in the presidential campaign, with former President Donald Trump saying Haitians are "invading" the Washington County town.

Action News Investigates has learned federal authorities are investigating a company that supplies immigrant workers to a major Charleroi employer.
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Anonymous wrote:There is a way to stop illegal immigration. Just make a law that says anyone crossing the border illegally is ineligible for citizenship. Why? Because if you don't respect U.S. law, you can't become one of it's citizens.

Problem is nowadays fewer people care about getting citizenship. Why should they? They don’t fear deportation, and they can get a lot of benefits regardless of their citizenship status, especially if they have a kid.

+1 They can enroll kids in school and typically get all available services, plus 2 meals daily, and medical care.

Anonymous wrote:I'm waiting to hear Harris and Walz make strong comments against immigrants who are here illegally and their plans for deporting them.

She just said on the Colbert show she wouldn't change anything the last 4 years.

I’m surprised there aren’t more people on both sides questioning why we “need” more cheap workers.

Cheap immigrant labor enables our worst practices. Sprawling car-centric development that requires cheap labor to maintain huge resource-sucking lawns? Check. Standard American diet that requires large amounts of cheap meat? Check.

If there is an end to this pipeline flow of cheap labor, then we might actually have to start making real choices about where to spend our money. Maybe meat and lawn mowing should not be cheap. Maybe agriculture and meat processing workers would actually get paid more and have better working conditions as a result of companies having to make the jobs good enough for Americans to accept.

I think Trump’s tariff idea needs more finessing, but maybe we should try and level the playing field for US production rather than keep buying Amazon crap made in Chinese factories that do not care about labor conditions or the environment.

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Anonymous wrote:In 2016 immigration/borders was the mainstay of his platform. He promised to build a wall and that Mexico was going to pay for it. We all know that didn't happen. Again, in 2024, this is the mainstay of his platform. What do you think he is going to do differently this time?

Democrats shut down the government rather than protect our country with border barriers.

He did a good job last time with safe third country agreements, Migrant Protection Protocol and expulsion orders. All he needs to do is reinstate those policies and cancel Biden’s CBP One app and disastrous CHNV parole program and we will be in a lot better shape as a country.

The last shutdown began in 2018 with Trump in the White House and Republicans controlling both the House and the Senate. Trump himself took credit for the shutdown: "I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down." That is not Democrats shutting down the government.

Because Democrats refused to fund the wall.

With good reason. The wall can be scaled with a $20 ladder or breached with a $100 saw. Building the wall is a waste of resources.

Democrats don't oppose a wall because it won't work. They oppose a wall because it will work.

DP. Yeah, no. They oppose it because it is “mean”.

I am a conservative on the immigration issue. However, the wall is not the answer. The cost of building and maintaining it would be astronomical and useless without law enforcement and better policy. Sure there are some areas in highly populated areas where an actual physical barrier is needed, but what is really needed is better laws and policy.

1. End birthright citizenship
2. Safe third country agreement with Mexico
3. Enforce existing laws, no flying people in, start deporting criminals and individuals who have already had asylum claim denied or they disappeared/no-show to asylum interview or hearing, stop making it easy for people with no claim to be here come into the city of their choice and be put up in hotels and given thousands of dollars, just stop it already.
4. Re-implement detention
5. Sure, put up a cheap fence, put plenty of signs in multiple languages making it clear that this is the U.S. border and crossing it illegally will have specific consequences. No one accidentally “wandering in”.
6. End all these TPS programs. There is human suffering all over the world. If we start letting everyone experiencing some sort of economic or other hardship in, we will have a billion people here very soon. It’s hard but we simply cannot absorb them and we need to think about our own families first.

We do not need to eliminate asylum altogether, but end its abuse as an easy means to enter. True refugees can and will be willing to wait in camps for processing.

Anonymous wrote:There is a way to stop illegal immigration. Just make a law that says anyone crossing the border illegally is ineligible for citizenship. Why? Because if you don't respect U.S. law, you can't become one of it's citizens.

Problem is nowadays fewer people care about getting citizenship. Why should they? They don’t fear deportation, and they can get a lot of benefits regardless of their citizenship status, especially if they have a kid.