Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

ND would be the perfect school imo if it backed the gas off on religion just a smidge. I know they’ve just expanded financial aid for middle class applicants and gone need blind for international applicants which may bring in a bit more diversity of voices.

But the vibes there are very good. The kids are happy, the sports are fun, the academics are solid, the job placement is great. What else do you want?

OMG, maybe not having to spend the four most formative years of one’s life in godawful Indiana?

I know you are talking about ND, but Indiana-Bloomington is often highlighted here as being a great place to go to college. Is it just a nicer place?

ND is 1.5 hour from Chicago.
Still better than middle of nowhere in VA.

1.5 hours from Chicago is one of the weirdest flexes I’ve ever seen.

They have shuttle and students go to Chicago for concerts, hanging out, etc.
My kid visited Chicago multiple times. South Bend is actually better than UVA or VT towns.

HaHaHa! No. I live in Charlottesville and have been to South Bend. No contest. Blacksburg, however, is very small but the students adore it

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm happy to see Cornell get a little more respect. But Duke and Northwestern at 6 is an abomination.

Also, what is with the the fixation on the UCs? Berkeley and UCLA do not belong in the top 20 for undergrad. There are five UCs in the top 40 alone. And UC Merced at 58 is ridiculous.

Good lord, the top UCs trounce the bottom Ivy schools if one cares at all about diversity in the educational setting, student quality of life, social development, etc.

I’d take LA or Berkeley over Ithaca or Hanover 10/10x to spend the formative years of my life.

s


But it has become very difficult to get into both UCLA and Berkeley from OOS

DD just starting at UCLA. Campus life is really great, albeit getting classes a vit like Game of Thrones. Would not thrive in middle of nowhere. Likes her Sweetgreens, beach etc. It is not the one percent, which is refreshing. Humble people at their dream school.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

ND would be the perfect school imo if it backed the gas off on religion just a smidge. I know they’ve just expanded financial aid for middle class applicants and gone need blind for international applicants which may bring in a bit more diversity of voices.

But the vibes there are very good. The kids are happy, the sports are fun, the academics are solid, the job placement is great. What else do you want?

OMG, maybe not having to spend the four most formative years of one’s life in godawful Indiana?

I know you are talking about ND, but Indiana-Bloomington is often highlighted here as being a great place to go to college. Is it just a nicer place?

ND is 1.5 hour from Chicago.
Still better than middle of nowhere in VA.

1.5 hours from Chicago is one of the weirdest flexes I’ve ever seen.

+1. MD is in boring South Bend and it's bitterly cold, as in lake wind cold. Go read student comments in College Confidential and Reddit

Anonymous wrote:UVA ahead of UNC once again. And tied with Georgetown. Maryland remains far behind.

not for my kid's major, CS. UMD is far ahead.

Middlebury = Grinnell

Suuuuure

ND is a solid T20 school with shit ton of endowment, 7th largest. Great all around for undergrad education.

One of the last schools to worry about lol
Move on

the ND argument is like Vassar not having enough guys. It attracts who it attracts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

ND would be the perfect school imo if it backed the gas off on religion just a smidge. I know they’ve just expanded financial aid for middle class applicants and gone need blind for international applicants which may bring in a bit more diversity of voices.

But the vibes there are very good. The kids are happy, the sports are fun, the academics are solid, the job placement is great. What else do you want?

OMG, maybe not having to spend the four most formative years of one’s life in godawful Indiana?

I know you are talking about ND, but Indiana-Bloomington is often highlighted here as being a great place to go to college. Is it just a nicer place?

ND is 1.5 hour from Chicago.
Still better than middle of nowhere in VA.

1.5 hours from Chicago is one of the weirdest flexes I’ve ever seen.

They have shuttle and students go to Chicago for concerts, hanging out, etc.
My kid visited Chicago multiple times. South Bend is actually better than UVA or VT towns.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

ND has a lower percentage of black students even than most other academically rigorous Catholic universities. Yes this owes something to its location but the argument that everyone should just stop picking on ND is actually what is ludicrous. Is ND just a little Catholic school that wants to be left alone or does it want to be viewed as a top university on a global level. If the latter then people will continue to hold it to the same standards as other top universities which are significantly more diverse. If this bugs you stop complaining when people dismiss ND as provincial and cloistered.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

+100 I am pretty sure if a smart, Catholic black kid is interested in Notre Dame they would have the same chance of admissions as a white kid. The appeal is just not there if you aren’t Catholic.

+1. Lots of non-Catholics playing football

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Right which is precisely why it has "haters" because people who aren't Catholic do not share those institutional priorities. It's a double edged sword. You can't whine about how people don't respect ND enough and then when people say "well here is why I don't respect ND as much as you want me to" then whine that those are unfair expectations because it's a religious school with different priorities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm happy to see Cornell get a little more respect. But Duke and Northwestern at 6 is an abomination.

Also, what is with the the fixation on the UCs? Berkeley and UCLA do not belong in the top 20 for undergrad. There are five UCs in the top 40 alone. And UC Merced at 58 is ridiculous.

Good lord, the top UCs trounce the bottom Ivy schools if one cares at all about diversity in the educational setting, student quality of life, social development, etc.

I’d take LA or Berkeley over Ithaca or Hanover 10/10x to spend the formative years of my life.

s


But it has become very difficult to get into both UCLA and Berkeley from OOS

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.

Agree. ND is well known for its religious priorities and the students it attracts. Why anyone would expect different percentages of ND is ludicrous. Move on folks.

Anonymous wrote:I'm happy to see Cornell get a little more respect. But Duke and Northwestern at 6 is an abomination.

Also, what is with the the fixation on the UCs? Berkeley and UCLA do not belong in the top 20 for undergrad. There are five UCs in the top 40 alone. And UC Merced at 58 is ridiculous.

Right. Berkeley belongs in top 10.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another year with ND in the top 20. Another year the haters will say it won't last. Always get a chuckle out of this.

Notre Dame is 3.59% black. Shameful

A Catholic school in Indiana isn’t a huge draw for POC? Shocking!!

ahem. Using the same argument, there should be only 18% Catholics at ND because Indiana is only 18% Catholic.

No, when doing this analysis the experts compare to the national percentage of blacks, which is 14%. Hence, Harvard's black population is 14%. So it is at the other top schools. How do they achieve this? By offering generous merit and financial aid packages. Clearly, ND isn't vested in increasing diversity for the sake of its own student body by trying to increase the number if black students, Catholic or not.

4% of US Catholics are black. This lines up with the percent of blacks at Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a religious school and has different institutional priorities than secular universities.