Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:44     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
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Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.

But wouldn't the GOP say that's your fault for failing to haul yourself up by the bootstraps?


No. We believe in good governance.


So a trump autocracay will be good governance based on facts and science?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:38     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.

But wouldn't the GOP say that's your fault for failing to haul yourself up by the bootstraps?


No. We believe in good governance.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:37     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
1990s were awesome
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:30     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
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Anonymous wrote:I'm always suprized some liberals think insulting another person's rose-colored dream is a winning tact. effectively you are pointing out that life is horrible now and always was horrible. why do you think this vision will move anybody in a useful direction? why not acknowledge that there were some good things for some people in the past? wouldn't that be more balanced, more honest,
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"Liberals" insult other people's rose-colored dream? The MAGA creed that they want to go back to the past is pooping all over many "liberals" rose-colored dream of equal treatment and respect for all people. How about that shite?

This whole post goes to show that there is good and bad in every time. For every thing you find from the past that was positive, we can find a dark underbelly or point out a group for which that time was horrible. That is NOT saying everything is horrible all the time. It is pointing out an unfortunate fact of human existence, that there is always a mix of good and bad. That there are always upsides and downsides to every thing. And whenever humans try to make things better, there are always some bad actors who try to take advantage and ruin it for everyone else for their own benefit.

The MAGA dream of "make America great again" is truly just an imaginary cherry-picking of things to benefit mainly white Americans or address white male grievances that they cannot say and do whatever they want without consequence. It's not really about making America ideal. So stop trying to pretend it's anything else.


Or it's a time when the middle class was strong.

You all are so obsessed about social equality that you ignore the real economic problems that are the result of giving away our economy and self sufficiency.

Hunger Trump's social issues.


the middle class was strong in the 1950's and 60's when unions were strong and the marginal tax rates for the top 20% was over 50%.



Correction needed: until the mid-60s the top tax rate was over 90%.

Yes. 90%.

And yes it led to investment in R&D, top notch infrastructure, excellent public schools (including university that was affordable).

Is MAGA then advocating for the highest tax rate to go back over 90%?


That would require taxing investment income the same as regular income which is it's own hornets nest. Otherwise you won't capture all that much money.


That’s not the question though is it? The MAGA crowd that has responded it is referring to America being great broadly in the post WWII decades until the 80s or the 90a. From the 30s until the 80s the highest marginal tax rate was well above 60% with about 25 years over 90%.

My question is whether MAGA and Trump are advocating for those tax rates to make America great again under the MAGA definition?

+1 MAGA are cherry picking. You want the 60s back, along with the segregation, women not being in the workforce in any great numbers, and high tax rates.

You can't have one without the other.

I will say that the highest marginal tax rate came down steadily, and went down dramatically when Reagan too office.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:25     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:In World War II when our young people and our industries went to work to defeat Germany and Japan.

uh... 1930s/40s/50s...

Segregation was still allowed; Japanese Americans were interned in a camp. Millions of people died, including many American men. The world was coming out of a recession because of a *global* war.

That was when America was great? Um.. ok.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 08:22     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
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Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.


1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker


Mortgage rates were also upwards of 10%. So give and take.

+1 2002, my mortgage rate was 6% on a $750K house in the Bay area.

I will say that those were definitely the hay days, but it wasn't about politics, per se. It was about the tech boom. I worked in IT. I can't be sorry for HoneB visas because my (white) spouse came on one, as did my good friend, also white. There were actually a lot of white visa workers in the SV back then.

I still work with a FAANG, and I work with a lot of foreign workers here, white and otherwise.
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 07:10     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.


Then you should be in a profession and job that pays you more. That is the GOP mantra, right? Personal responsibility.

Meanwhile, Harris has proposed to strengthen anti-gouging laws while Trump is proposing more tariffs, which will make things even more expensive.

GOP supports rules that make corporations richer on the backs of everyday Americans and Trump has no plans to get prices down unless he becomes an authoritarian and mandates it, but then that would be socialism, right?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 02:48     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.

But wouldn't the GOP say that's your fault for failing to haul yourself up by the bootstraps?
Anonymous
Post 09/23/2024 00:46     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Anyone with common sense knows that what happens with many of these things above are not controlled by the POTUS. Other factors determine the price of gas. Economies also depend on many factors, some things take years to manifest. Trump was a disaster.


DP. This is 100% indisputably true when it comes to the sitting POTUS.

You don't get to talk about common sense when you clearly don't have any.


Trump's candidacy resonates strongly with the "I know your dirty laundry so well that I kind of stopped caring how poorly you think of me" crowd. It liberates a person from the pretension that they're championing a stellar candidate, while allowing them to revel in the freedom of being fully empowered to construct themselves a high ground regardless. Imagine Dumbo once he realized that the Magic Feather was a ruse.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 23:36     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Anyone with common sense knows that what happens with many of these things above are not controlled by the POTUS. Other factors determine the price of gas. Economies also depend on many factors, some things take years to manifest. Trump was a disaster.

You don't get to talk about common sense when you clearly don't have any.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 22:37     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.


This is so disingenuous. Life is so much more expensive today than 5 years ago and no, my pay did not increase to match inflation.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 22:32     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
I paid $2.95 in DC today and we aren't in a recession like in 2020 when Trump was in office and gas was almost this cheap.

Thanks Joe!
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 22:01     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


Gas was last at $2.15 a gallon in 2005. Now it is $3.50, which is an increase of 63%.

The median annual net pay was $24K in 2005. Now it is $45K, which is an increase of 87%.

So a gallon of gas has become less expensive since 2005 measured relative to net pay.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 21:34     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:Gas $2.15 a gallon
Strong economy
Low inflation
Low unemployment
Secure borders

I dont consider myself "maga" I just use common sense to answer your question op. You could have done the same.


You hit the nail on the head -- common sense has left the building. Between that and unregulated/uncontrolled social media we are doomed.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2024 21:05     Subject: MAGA - describe when America was “Great”
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Asking MAGAs honestly - please describe when America was “great” and what you want “again”. Thank you.


1980’s. Silicon Valley was crating innovation without own children

Business would hire US citizens and train them

College grads could find entry leve jobs and afford a house in 5 years of saving

It was immoral to fire someone and replace them with cheap temporary foreign worker


Is it intentional that you left out how few rights women had in banking and in employment?


No, no, no PP. Trump has a plan for women as of today: