Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:27
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The reason is to let more kids in HS play. Some schools in VA did not have enough players to field a JV team. Before this VHSL exception for 8th graders, they'd have to elimitate the entire JV team in that case- which results in fewer HS players playing since they had no team to play on if Varsity was full. Allowing an 8th grader or 2 to fill the gaps lets more HS players play. NOW it's being used as a recuriting pipeline/win at all costs so fewer HS students are playing b/c they were displaced by a middle schooler.
VHSL could have stated in the rules that "NO MS should be on the team unless there are not enough HS players on the JV team". But it does NOT, so it must thinks that some 8th graders can compete with HS kids.
That's why parents need to contact the VHSL board and explain how the rule is being used as a loophole. A link to the members was posted a few pages back.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:26
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:The reason is to let more kids in HS play. Some schools in VA did not have enough players to field a JV team. Before this VHSL exception for 8th graders, they'd have to elimitate the entire JV team in that case- which results in fewer HS players playing since they had no team to play on if Varsity was full. Allowing an 8th grader or 2 to fill the gaps lets more HS players play. NOW it's being used as a recuriting pipeline/win at all costs so fewer HS students are playing b/c they were displaced by a middle schooler.
VHSL could have stated in the rules that "NO MS should be on the team unless there are not enough HS players on the JV team". But it does NOT, so it must thinks that some 8th graders can compete with HS kids.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:22
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If a HS volleyball coach in APS is putting 8th graders on their HS team and cutting return players from 9th-10th who actually attend to the school (and who played for the HS team previously) there’s some kind of club-politics/nepotism bias happening bc that’s just sh!tty. And it sounds like this is what happened.
This is precisely what has happened.
Everyone on the team has to fight for a spot every year. What you did last year does NOT mean anything. Someone will take over your spot if he/she is better than you are.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:22
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
They don’t need to field the best team at a public HS. That’s what club is for. The teams at the HS level are supposed to be for the benefit of the students enrolled at the school. This isn’t private school where school championships matter all that much. People go to the public that they are zoned for and that’s that. In fact, I’d argue that 8th graders put on Varsity teams are more likely to leave to attend private.
That's right there is the problem. If coaches do not need to field the best team at a public HS, how do you feel if they cut the your kid and take another kid but your kid is clearer better?
VHSL rules are there for a reason. Coaches have follow those rules. Talk to the APS School Board to have the rules change if you don't agree with the rules.
The reason is to let more kids in HS play. Some schools in VA did not have enough players to field a JV team. Before this VHSL exception for 8th graders, they'd have to elimitate the entire JV team in that case- which results in fewer HS players playing since they had no team to play on if Varsity was full. Allowing an 8th grader or 2 to fill the gaps lets more HS players play. NOW it's being used as a recuriting pipeline/win at all costs so fewer HS students are playing b/c they were displaced by a middle schooler.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:20
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
They don’t need to field the best team at a public HS. That’s what club is for. The teams at the HS level are supposed to be for the benefit of the students enrolled at the school. This isn’t private school where school championships matter all that much. People go to the public that they are zoned for and that’s that. In fact, I’d argue that 8th graders put on Varsity teams are more likely to leave to attend private.
This. The fact that the coaches are associated with club organizations is also an issue. This also goes for several of the baseball teams in APS. These aren't teacher coaches, its coaches who are either owners/coaches at club/private training facilities.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:19
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
They don’t need to field the best team at a public HS. That’s what club is for. The teams at the HS level are supposed to be for the benefit of the students enrolled at the school. This isn’t private school where school championships matter all that much. People go to the public that they are zoned for and that’s that. In fact, I’d argue that 8th graders put on Varsity teams are more likely to leave to attend private.
That's right there is the problem. If coaches do not need to field the best team at a public HS, how do you feel if they cut the your kid and take another kid but your kid is clearer better?
VHSL rules are there for a reason. Coaches have follow those rules. Talk to the APS School Board to have the rules change if you don't agree with the rules.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:18
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:If a HS volleyball coach in APS is putting 8th graders on their HS team and cutting return players from 9th-10th who actually attend to the school (and who played for the HS team previously) there’s some kind of club-politics/nepotism bias happening bc that’s just sh!tty. And it sounds like this is what happened.
This is precisely what has happened.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 17:15
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.
I know some people who would try to do this and the parents and their children would be shunned.
shunned because?
Because they aren’t part of the community. Having 8th graders on a HS team ruins the experience for other team members.
Complete nonsense. Maybe other members need to get better to avoid embarrassment that an 8th grader is better than they are.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 16:47
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
They don’t need to field the best team at a public HS. That’s what club is for. The teams at the HS level are supposed to be for the benefit of the students enrolled at the school. This isn’t private school where school championships matter all that much. People go to the public that they are zoned for and that’s that. In fact, I’d argue that 8th graders put on Varsity teams are more likely to leave to attend private.
My guess is that APS would say that sports are for the benefit of eligible APS students, which would include students from option schools (where that is their home school) and 8th graders.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 16:35
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
It depends if that is in their job description - win at all costs. That may be the case for a Premier league football manager or a college basketball coach. For a public school not seeking applicants or donations or commercial sponsorship, the job description could conceivably be to promote fitness and team building skills. If they want to win at all costs, why don't they get a job in a more competitive league than jv high school?
Who is talking about job descriptions? I said they want the best team possible. They coach at that high school because (obviously, or so I thought) they teach at that school, like the sport, like the kids, and want a little extra income. Are you suggesting that they should quite their teaching jobs and chase their dreams of becoming volleyball coaches?
Look, I think this rule stinks and should be changed, or modified, as PPs have suggested, to read that 8th graders aren't eligible unless the school can't field a team of eligible high schoolers. But what you, and others, are suggesting is that coaches should from the beginning disregard part of the pool of eligible kids for their teams because other kids should have priority. And more than that, that the coaches have done wrong by not doing so this year. Some of them may do that - but it's an unreasonable ask or requirement to lay on them.
People have already responded here that the coaches often come from clubs and are not necessarily teachers, and that they sometimes show preference for the kids they coach at clubs.
Math teachers dont get to say "I only want the best kids possible" - they have to teach different levels. Why wouldn't a coach have a job description? How could they apply for a job without a job description.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 16:17
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
It depends if that is in their job description - win at all costs. That may be the case for a Premier league football manager or a college basketball coach. For a public school not seeking applicants or donations or commercial sponsorship, the job description could conceivably be to promote fitness and team building skills. If they want to win at all costs, why don't they get a job in a more competitive league than jv high school?
Who is talking about job descriptions? I said they want the best team possible. They coach at that high school because (obviously, or so I thought) they teach at that school, like the sport, like the kids, and want a little extra income. Are you suggesting that they should quite their teaching jobs and chase their dreams of becoming volleyball coaches?
Look, I think this rule stinks and should be changed, or modified, as PPs have suggested, to read that 8th graders aren't eligible unless the school can't field a team of eligible high schoolers. But what you, and others, are suggesting is that coaches should from the beginning disregard part of the pool of eligible kids for their teams because other kids should have priority. And more than that, that the coaches have done wrong by not doing so this year. Some of them may do that - but it's an unreasonable ask or requirement to lay on them.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 16:06
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
It depends if that is in their job description - win at all costs. That may be the case for a Premier league football manager or a college basketball coach. For a public school not seeking applicants or donations or commercial sponsorship, the job description could conceivably be to promote fitness and team building skills. If they want to win at all costs, why don't they get a job in a more competitive league than jv high school?
Anonymous
08/12/2024 15:59
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
They don’t need to field the best team at a public HS. That’s what club is for. The teams at the HS level are supposed to be for the benefit of the students enrolled at the school. This isn’t private school where school championships matter all that much. People go to the public that they are zoned for and that’s that. In fact, I’d argue that 8th graders put on Varsity teams are more likely to leave to attend private.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 15:50
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
Anonymous wrote:Yes. shame on them for following the rules as stipulated.
Don't like the rules. Talk to the APS School Board. Otherwise, I'm sorry our daughter wasn't good enough. That is life.
Yeah, the ire at the coaches seems misplaced. The coaches are charged with fielding a team, and of course they want the best team possible.
Anonymous
08/12/2024 13:25
Subject: Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches
If a HS volleyball coach in APS is putting 8th graders on their HS team and cutting return players from 9th-10th who actually attend to the school (and who played for the HS team previously) there’s some kind of club-politics/nepotism bias happening bc that’s just sh!tty. And it sounds like this is what happened.