Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:38     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 07 union team had lots of fancy college commits. Can someone explain how they don’t go further?


The truth is starting to show for clubs like Union, NVA, VDA and others. Getting to National Playoffs is really the minimum, I mean these huge clubs are attracting the top players in the DMV. These kids put so much of their time and money into personal training and getting better. Just from watching the matches, the technical and athletic level is really not that big of a difference, its the team development aspect that is the biggest factor.

Union 07s are a perfect example- extremely talented group of players...if its just a one off year then sure, but they have gotten bounced two years in a row now. For all clubs- Union, NVA, VDA etc....I would be taking a real hard look at the coaches, I mean these kids are all top D1 players....its really coming down to coaching. Regardless of what your "play style" is...its not being executed well and DMV is consistently losing in Nationals every single year. It's time for a big wake up call for clubs IMO, there needs to be a real look into what is actually being coached and where the gaps are, because the individual players are 100% not the problem. This isn't all teams and no single club in focus, just the DMV area as a whole....the coaching is really letting these girls down if they truly want to compete at Nationals.



You are exactly correct.

But it's not all the coaches fault. DMV parents watch local wins very closely and will jump ship in a heartbeat. What ends up happening is coach's teach players to play the way that gives parents what they want, wins. This means from a young age players are taught to play direct and coaches and clubs recruit the biggest and fastest players they can find.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective big and fast individual players that play direct is what college coaches are also looking for. Because the college game has infinite subs it makes more sense for college coaches to look for big fast and aggressive. This is because it's easier and faster to create a winning team this way.

Clubs like San Diego Surf teach players to play a combination of possession and direct. They teach defined set pieces from a young age for offense, mids, and defense. What ends up happening is they switch between possession (to wear direct teams out) and direct (once teams are worn out). The defined set pieces let Surf work the ball up the field and score at will especially after the other team is worn out from playing direct and chasing the ball when Surf is playing possession.

If you want to win on a national level coaches and parents need to change their thinking and focus on playing more like Surf. The problem with this is that DMV girls ECNL mentalities won't allow it to happen. Ironically it would be easier to implement a San Diego Surf style development program with a GA club in DMV. This is because there would be less expectations for local wins which would allow coaches to train in a more possession/direct style vs direct only.


Why a GA club instead of ECNL?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:37     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To many good posts above to quote them. If DMV wants to win on the big stage Coaching, practice and recruiting requirements have to change. Maybe even more consolidation of ecnl teams and some year round training.

So you got families that are ok with their kids winning or losing locally & getting picked up by local schools vs family that want max exposure and winning on a grand stage. Equals failure if nothing changes.

Everyone locally should have been mimicking the arl 2011s approach to competition and studying the teams out west approach to the games….


Smh thats a lotta money for no results in the playoffs


What is the arl 2011 approach?


Have big fast players and very direct style that will not work as players grow.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:35     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:To many good posts above to quote them. If DMV wants to win on the big stage Coaching, practice and recruiting requirements have to change. Maybe even more consolidation of ecnl teams and some year round training.

So you got families that are ok with their kids winning or losing locally & getting picked up by local schools vs family that want max exposure and winning on a grand stage. Equals failure if nothing changes.

Everyone locally should have been mimicking the arl 2011s approach to competition and studying the teams out west approach to the games….


Smh thats a lotta money for no results in the playoffs

There really is no reason for parents, coaches, and clubs in DMV to make these changes. The local system is achieving the goal of getting their daughters to the colleges they want. It is not a failure because the teams out west are better in national playoffs. The DMV is not any different than other parts of the country, mid-west, northeast, and it's fine the way it is. Not every region can be a super region that draws players from all over. You have super regions in every sport, every industry that draws in the best talent. LA is the entertainment capital, NY has banking, FL and TX have youth football, CA and TX have soccer.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:34     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To many good posts above to quote them. If DMV wants to win on the big stage Coaching, practice and recruiting requirements have to change. Maybe even more consolidation of ecnl teams and some year round training.

So you got families that are ok with their kids winning or losing locally & getting picked up by local schools vs family that want max exposure and winning on a grand stage. Equals failure if nothing changes.

Everyone locally should have been mimicking the arl 2011s approach to competition and studying the teams out west approach to the games….


Smh thats a lotta money for no results in the playoffs


What is the arl 2011 approach?

Most likely to play direct only and have bigger faster players. Which won't work against better teams and won't work as better teams get older.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:23     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:To many good posts above to quote them. If DMV wants to win on the big stage Coaching, practice and recruiting requirements have to change. Maybe even more consolidation of ecnl teams and some year round training.

So you got families that are ok with their kids winning or losing locally & getting picked up by local schools vs family that want max exposure and winning on a grand stage. Equals failure if nothing changes.

Everyone locally should have been mimicking the arl 2011s approach to competition and studying the teams out west approach to the games….


Smh thats a lotta money for no results in the playoffs


What is the arl 2011 approach?
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:15     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 07 union team had lots of fancy college commits. Can someone explain how they don’t go further?


The truth is starting to show for clubs like Union, NVA, VDA and others. Getting to National Playoffs is really the minimum, I mean these huge clubs are attracting the top players in the DMV. These kids put so much of their time and money into personal training and getting better. Just from watching the matches, the technical and athletic level is really not that big of a difference, its the team development aspect that is the biggest factor.

Union 07s are a perfect example- extremely talented group of players...if its just a one off year then sure, but they have gotten bounced two years in a row now. For all clubs- Union, NVA, VDA etc....I would be taking a real hard look at the coaches, I mean these kids are all top D1 players....its really coming down to coaching. Regardless of what your "play style" is...its not being executed well and DMV is consistently losing in Nationals every single year. It's time for a big wake up call for clubs IMO, there needs to be a real look into what is actually being coached and where the gaps are, because the individual players are 100% not the problem. This isn't all teams and no single club in focus, just the DMV area as a whole....the coaching is really letting these girls down if they truly want to compete at Nationals.



You are exactly correct.

But it's not all the coaches fault. DMV parents watch local wins very closely and will jump ship in a heartbeat. What ends up happening is coach's teach players to play the way that gives parents what they want, wins. This means from a young age players are taught to play direct and coaches and clubs recruit the biggest and fastest players they can find.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective big and fast individual players that play direct is what college coaches are also looking for. Because the college game has infinite subs it makes more sense for college coaches to look for big fast and aggressive. This is because it's easier and faster to create a winning team this way.

Clubs like San Diego Surf teach players to play a combination of possession and direct. They teach defined set pieces from a young age for offense, mids, and defense. What ends up happening is they switch between possession (to wear direct teams out) and direct (once teams are worn out). The defined set pieces let Surf work the ball up the field and score at will especially after the other team is worn out from playing direct and chasing the ball when Surf is playing possession.

If you want to win on a national level coaches and parents need to change their thinking and focus on playing more like Surf. The problem with this is that DMV girls ECNL mentalities won't allow it to happen. Ironically it would be easier to implement a San Diego Surf style development program with a GA club in DMV. This is because there would be less expectations for local wins which would allow coaches to train in a more possession/direct style vs direct only.


ALL the coaches in a club need to be committed to playing this style from an early age. This is because when players are younger its incredibly tempting for coaches to just play direct for wins. Booting it up to the fast kid that scores is exciting but when this happens defensive and midfield development was just thrown out the window. Consistent training from youngers to olders on defined defensive, midfield, and offensive set pieces is how you win nationally.

What's interesting is if you can teach teams to play this way from a young age. By the time players get older everything is on cruise control for olders coaches. At this point they can take a risk on a super naturally talented striker that doesn't have the team background everyone else does but through natural ability can play direct and score goals. Mixing in a couple of these can catch teams off guard. But in the end because the team is so well versed in playing defensive, mid, and offensive set pieces they can absorb the "bad" play of one or two forwards that don't play the way everyone else does but can score goals.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 08:12     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
To many good posts above to quote them. If DMV wants to win on the big stage Coaching, practice and recruiting requirements have to change. Maybe even more consolidation of ecnl teams and some year round training.

So you got families that are ok with their kids winning or losing locally & getting picked up by local schools vs family that want max exposure and winning on a grand stage. Equals failure if nothing changes.

Everyone locally should have been mimicking the arl 2011s approach to competition and studying the teams out west approach to the games….


Smh thats a lotta money for no results in the playoffs
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 07:52     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 07 union team had lots of fancy college commits. Can someone explain how they don’t go further?


The truth is starting to show for clubs like Union, NVA, VDA and others. Getting to National Playoffs is really the minimum, I mean these huge clubs are attracting the top players in the DMV. These kids put so much of their time and money into personal training and getting better. Just from watching the matches, the technical and athletic level is really not that big of a difference, its the team development aspect that is the biggest factor.

Union 07s are a perfect example- extremely talented group of players...if its just a one off year then sure, but they have gotten bounced two years in a row now. For all clubs- Union, NVA, VDA etc....I would be taking a real hard look at the coaches, I mean these kids are all top D1 players....its really coming down to coaching. Regardless of what your "play style" is...its not being executed well and DMV is consistently losing in Nationals every single year. It's time for a big wake up call for clubs IMO, there needs to be a real look into what is actually being coached and where the gaps are, because the individual players are 100% not the problem. This isn't all teams and no single club in focus, just the DMV area as a whole....the coaching is really letting these girls down if they truly want to compete at Nationals.



You are exactly correct.

But it's not all the coaches fault. DMV parents watch local wins very closely and will jump ship in a heartbeat. What ends up happening is coach's teach players to play the way that gives parents what they want, wins. This means from a young age players are taught to play direct and coaches and clubs recruit the biggest and fastest players they can find.

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective big and fast individual players that play direct is what college coaches are also looking for. Because the college game has infinite subs it makes more sense for college coaches to look for big fast and aggressive. This is because it's easier and faster to create a winning team this way.

Clubs like San Diego Surf teach players to play a combination of possession and direct. They teach defined set pieces from a young age for offense, mids, and defense. What ends up happening is they switch between possession (to wear direct teams out) and direct (once teams are worn out). The defined set pieces let Surf work the ball up the field and score at will especially after the other team is worn out from playing direct and chasing the ball when Surf is playing possession.

If you want to win on a national level coaches and parents need to change their thinking and focus on playing more like Surf. The problem with this is that DMV girls ECNL mentalities won't allow it to happen. Ironically it would be easier to implement a San Diego Surf style development program with a GA club in DMV. This is because there would be less expectations for local wins which would allow coaches to train in a more possession/direct style vs direct only.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 07:30     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 07 union team had lots of fancy college commits. Can someone explain how they don’t go further?


The truth is starting to show for clubs like Union, NVA, VDA and others. Getting to National Playoffs is really the minimum, I mean these huge clubs are attracting the top players in the DMV. These kids put so much of their time and money into personal training and getting better. Just from watching the matches, the technical and athletic level is really not that big of a difference, its the team development aspect that is the biggest factor.

Union 07s are a perfect example- extremely talented group of players...if its just a one off year then sure, but they have gotten bounced two years in a row now. For all clubs- Union, NVA, VDA etc....I would be taking a real hard look at the coaches, I mean these kids are all top D1 players....its really coming down to coaching. Regardless of what your "play style" is...its not being executed well and DMV is consistently losing in Nationals every single year. It's time for a big wake up call for clubs IMO, there needs to be a real look into what is actually being coached and where the gaps are, because the individual players are 100% not the problem. This isn't all teams and no single club in focus, just the DMV area as a whole....the coaching is really letting these girls down if they truly want to compete at Nationals.


Sure, coaching can play a role but you need the players too. Some of these powerhouse clubs in Cali and Texas are pulling in players not just from their region but across the country. There are players from other states that move to these clubs just to play soccer. They are the center of the universe for youth soccer in the US, which attracts better coaches, which attracts better players, which makes for better teams, and the cycle repeats. Nobody is moving to the DMV for soccer.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 01:27     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:I thought the 07 union team had lots of fancy college commits. Can someone explain how they don’t go further?


The truth is starting to show for clubs like Union, NVA, VDA and others. Getting to National Playoffs is really the minimum, I mean these huge clubs are attracting the top players in the DMV. These kids put so much of their time and money into personal training and getting better. Just from watching the matches, the technical and athletic level is really not that big of a difference, its the team development aspect that is the biggest factor.

Union 07s are a perfect example- extremely talented group of players...if its just a one off year then sure, but they have gotten bounced two years in a row now. For all clubs- Union, NVA, VDA etc....I would be taking a real hard look at the coaches, I mean these kids are all top D1 players....its really coming down to coaching. Regardless of what your "play style" is...its not being executed well and DMV is consistently losing in Nationals every single year. It's time for a big wake up call for clubs IMO, there needs to be a real look into what is actually being coached and where the gaps are, because the individual players are 100% not the problem. This isn't all teams and no single club in focus, just the DMV area as a whole....the coaching is really letting these girls down if they truly want to compete at Nationals.

Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 00:51     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:BP is king 10's are looking good better too!


BP not even coaching.


All hail AS.
Anonymous
Post 06/27/2024 00:49     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:BP is king 10's are looking good better too!


BP not even coaching.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2024 23:10     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:About the VDA 09s, you guys didn’t mention the 09 player from Brave who made the USYNT will also be playing for VDA next year.


A lot of pressure on BP to sweep the conference.


Plus I think they have at least 1, maybe 2 09s that are playing up.


Even more pressure.
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2024 23:04     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dmv futbol has lots of work to do…..

People will get tired of paying 3k to got out west and get washed year after year…..





Or maybe they wont $$&


They won't. The delusion runs as deep as the wallets in this area.


It is not delusion. That you think so means you are not involved. ECNL is a college recruiting leauge. Going to Nationals is part of that process so that you can be seen. Are more coaches at top end games rather than Showcase B -- maybe by a bit. But it matters not. Just that you are there. You have contact with coaches. They come see you. That is the point. Wins are great. Certainly don't hurt. But are not required. You may say the top colleges will take girls from the top teams. Sure. But the 8th girl on Solar may not be better than the best girls on VDA. Almost every ECNL girl on every team will play in college if they want to. Not all for UNC or Stanford but all will have a shot. So no people will not get tired when Showcase A and B teams have tons of coaches a game looking at specific players. There were over 1000 coaches at Playoffs.



This is someone who misses the point entirely.


Not PP but what was your point?
Anonymous
Post 06/26/2024 23:03     Subject: ENCL Nationals - Girls
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dmv futbol has lots of work to do…..

People will get tired of paying 3k to got out west and get washed year after year…..





Or maybe they wont $$&


They won't. The delusion runs as deep as the wallets in this area.


It is not delusion. That you think so means you are not involved. ECNL is a college recruiting leauge. Going to Nationals is part of that process so that you can be seen. Are more coaches at top end games rather than Showcase B -- maybe by a bit. But it matters not. Just that you are there. You have contact with coaches. They come see you. That is the point. Wins are great. Certainly don't hurt. But are not required. You may say the top colleges will take girls from the top teams. Sure. But the 8th girl on Solar may not be better than the best girls on VDA. Almost every ECNL girl on every team will play in college if they want to. Not all for UNC or Stanford but all will have a shot. So no people will not get tired when Showcase A and B teams have tons of coaches a game looking at specific players. There were over 1000 coaches at Playoffs.



This is someone who misses the point entirely.


100%, they just don't get it.