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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

What would make UVA better than VT in engineering fields, VCU in art, W&M in Arts & Sciences, etc.?

Nothing.

The one area where UVA has a clear advantage is undergraduate business, particularly if Wall Street is the objective. It is not a direct admit, though. This doesn't mean other business schools are not good options.

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

What would make UVA better than VT in engineering fields, VCU in art, W&M in Arts & Sciences, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

This.is.ridiculous

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

Excellent? One excellent. Two very good and three good.

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

UVA is not the only public university in VA. Choose another in-state option or pay OOS tuition.

We did.

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

If you say so….

I would say so.

Well, actually, we do. Saw this in the other thread about the complaints about insufficient in-state slots for Virginians.



1. The groans and lamentations are higher here because of the higher income, higher educated population here, many of whom were higher achieving folks from other states who went to a prestigious private or the public flagship back home.

2. However, states are different. Is the model of having one superlarge flagship (Ohio, Illinois, etc.) and a few directionals better? Or the California model, where Cal was originally the model flagship but time and USNWR has sent UCLA, UCSB and UCSD up into the rankings)? Or the most common model of having 2 strong schools and directionals for everyone else (Alabama, Georgia, Michigan, Indiana, etc.)?

We faced that choice moving here from outside the DMV when looking at Maryland vs Virginia. Yes, on the whole, UMCP is the functional equivalent of the combined UVA/VT/W&M, when considered overall, it's a solid B+ across the board. But each individual Virginia institution in the UVA/VT/W&M troika has its own very strong pros that more than offset the cons of each school. Plus we did not want a "UMCP or bust" situation (with "bust" being UMBC, Towson, Salisbury, etc.). Virginia is lucky that JMU/VCU/GMU exist, and we don't have to immediately settle for Radford.

3. Reputation and market changed. 40 years ago, UVA/VT/W&M took more NOVA applicants. This can be seen in the number of NOVA students in the UVA entering class falling from 50% to 30% in the last 3-4 years, for example. But back then UVA/VT/W&M were more regional, although they were still known outside the East Coast. Now those brands are stronger outside the region, and it is harder for NOVA applicants to get in. Yet with the NOVA students increasingly looking for broader opportunities outside the region, and the number of spaces at UVA/VT/W&M not growing to meet that demand, NOVA families have to look outside Virginia for that T100 brand. Either that, or accept that JMU/GMU/VCU will provide a good education if not supplying the requisite branding for competing outside the region.

4. Thus, we as NOVA parents want the UVA/VT/W&M of our youth, where everyone from NOVA was more likely to get in. But the old days weren't as good as we remember, and the world changed. Now are faced either with taking our chances with an increasingly more difficult admissions system for UVA/VT/W&M, saving up for T100 elsewhere, including flagships in other states, or accepting JMU/GMU/VCU as good alternatives (and they are). That doesn't make it fair, and it doesn't make it easy for donut hole families who can't come up with the extra money to send the DCs out of the area. But this is not going to change, so we need to adapt. Plus I would rather have the choices in Virginia when compared with other states.


+1000

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

If you say so….

Awww, that was supposed to be a dollar sign stupid formatting.

Anonymous wrote:I live in VA and am so aggravated by the # of kids I see applying and not getting into UVA who are seriously bright, solid A students. It's ridiculous.
It makes me think my high schooler won't get in when he applies in a couple of years. High A student, athlete, has great SAT scores, but white male and from a middle class background/private school.

I LOVE how UNC Chapel Hill is required by STATE LAW to keep in-state at high numbers:
"As of June 14, 2024, 82% of students at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (UNC) are in-state residents. State law requires that at least 82% of each freshman class be from North Carolina, and the state government limits the number of non-residents to 18%."

As opposed to Virginia "In fall 2023, 65.5% of first-time freshmen at the University of Virginia (UVA) were in-state students. UVA aims to have a majority of Virginians in its student body, but doesn't have quotas for specific regions or high schools. UVA's offer rate for Virginia residents is usually higher than the rate for out-of-state students."

Why doesn't VA have this law!

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

How silly. Virginia's brightest have several excellent in-state universities, not just one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

UVA is not the only public university in VA. Choose another in-state option or pay OOS tuition.

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

My VT colleagues would say that VT is the real Flagship. My W&M colleagues would point out that they are the real flagship - after all, many founding fathers went there.

And your W&M colleagues would be correct. 👍

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Anonymous wrote:If Virginia and NC had better sense they double OOS students. Why should taxpayers subsidize the privileged instate students

The majority of students at university of Delaware are OOS and pay higher tuition.

My daughter who went UMASS Amherst it is actually harder to get in as an instate student as in state students they lose money on in state.

Virginia should focus OOS

This is laughable.

What’s the point of STATE schools? To serve OOS kids?

The problem with UVA is that it is not serving enough instate students. The state of Virginia is still growing. Sending too many of your brightest instate students OOS for their education, the commonwealth can expect to experience more brain drain in the future. Virginia needs to grow its flagship to better accommodate its top students.

My VT colleagues would say that VT is the real Flagship. My W&M colleagues would point out that they are the real flagship - after all, many founding fathers went there.

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Anonymous wrote:My sense is that DCUM is more obsessed with so-called “prestige” than UVa is.

You really think UVA administrators, faculty, alumni, and students don't care about prestige?

Work on your reading comprehension, please.

I said my sense is that DCUM is **more** obsessed about so-called prestige than UVa.