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Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?

8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.

No it is not. I also have size 8 clothes from 20 years ago and they still fit.

So…from 2004? I have vintage wool skirt suits from the 1960s. They are size 8s and have a 26” waist. That is not vanity sizing. I generally wear a modern size 2.

Yeah…most vintage patterns only go down to size 6. When I compare measurement equivalents, that’s about a size 0 today

NP (and I wear a modern size 2 as well, if that matters to you), but so what? Sizing has changed. If your definition of “vanity sizing” is standard mall sizing since at least 2004, I think there’s a good argument that women’s sizing in the US has just changed. It’s not really vanity sizing anymore, except relative to runway sizing (which is not relevant to the vast majority of the women in this country). You just reached back to the 1960s to find size 8 garments with the same measurements as today’s size 2. That was 60(!) years ago. Things change.

But the correct size for a healthy human body doesn’t change in just 60 years! If you are arguing that “oh, I’m a size 8 so my waist measurement and weight must be heathy” based on some outdated idea that a size 8 is average, then you are misguided. A modern size 8 is worn by overweight women if you are an average height.

A lot of those bodies weren’t that healthy. They were keeping their weight down by smoking.

This is what everyone wants to believe. But most of it was not mindlessly snacking all day, not having the same amount of processed food available, connecting with real people instead of scrolling and mindlessly feeding your empty soul all day, moving much more because you had a commute or rode your bike or did real things with people instead of living virtually... It's not a one-factor thing such as smoking that made the difference. It's that food was slower and more real, and people actually physically spent time with each other doing actual freaking things.

Nobody wants to appreciate this reality. It’s always some external factor and not their own behavior. Except is actually all their own behavior.

I was driving home today from an endurance event I did yesterday. So I wanted to buy some donuts just because I never eat them. I’m standing in front of the display at a gas station in SW Virginia and a mom is practically force feeding her kids donuts by demanding whether they 1) want one and 2) presuming 1 was true and which one. Child abuse. That’s why we have an obesity problem in this country. People eating garbage all the time and not treating it for what it is - nutrition.

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Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?

8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.

No it is not. I also have size 8 clothes from 20 years ago and they still fit.

So…from 2004? I have vintage wool skirt suits from the 1960s. They are size 8s and have a 26” waist. That is not vanity sizing. I generally wear a modern size 2.

Yeah…most vintage patterns only go down to size 6. When I compare measurement equivalents, that’s about a size 0 today

NP (and I wear a modern size 2 as well, if that matters to you), but so what? Sizing has changed. If your definition of “vanity sizing” is standard mall sizing since at least 2004, I think there’s a good argument that women’s sizing in the US has just changed. It’s not really vanity sizing anymore, except relative to runway sizing (which is not relevant to the vast majority of the women in this country). You just reached back to the 1960s to find size 8 garments with the same measurements as today’s size 2. That was 60(!) years ago. Things change.

But the correct size for a healthy human body doesn’t change in just 60 years! If you are arguing that “oh, I’m a size 8 so my waist measurement and weight must be heathy” based on some outdated idea that a size 8 is average, then you are misguided. A modern size 8 is worn by overweight women if you are an average height.

A lot of those bodies weren’t that healthy. They were keeping their weight down by smoking.

This is what everyone wants to believe. But most of it was not mindlessly snacking all day, not having the same amount of processed food available, connecting with real people instead of scrolling and mindlessly feeding your empty soul all day, moving much more because you had a commute or rode your bike or did real things with people instead of living virtually... It's not a one-factor thing such as smoking that made the difference. It's that food was slower and more real, and people actually physically spent time with each other doing actual freaking things.

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Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?

8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.

No it is not. I also have size 8 clothes from 20 years ago and they still fit.

So…from 2004? I have vintage wool skirt suits from the 1960s. They are size 8s and have a 26” waist. That is not vanity sizing. I generally wear a modern size 2.

Yeah…most vintage patterns only go down to size 6. When I compare measurement equivalents, that’s about a size 0 today

NP (and I wear a modern size 2 as well, if that matters to you), but so what? Sizing has changed. If your definition of “vanity sizing” is standard mall sizing since at least 2004, I think there’s a good argument that women’s sizing in the US has just changed. It’s not really vanity sizing anymore, except relative to runway sizing (which is not relevant to the vast majority of the women in this country). You just reached back to the 1960s to find size 8 garments with the same measurements as today’s size 2. That was 60(!) years ago. Things change.

But the correct size for a healthy human body doesn’t change in just 60 years! If you are arguing that “oh, I’m a size 8 so my waist measurement and weight must be heathy” based on some outdated idea that a size 8 is average, then you are misguided. A modern size 8 is worn by overweight women if you are an average height.

What??? At 5’7 and 135 lbs I wear a size 8. Some could weigh less but I don’t think that’s overweight at that height.

And your BMI is 21. So you’re obviously not the body anyone is discussing in this thread.

She’s also 4” and several percentiles taller than an average woman. A 5’3” woman wearing a size 8 would be overweight, in the cart majority of cases.

Every one wants to act like their body or metabolism or waistline is a unique snowflake data point, but let’s be honest. Fat is like pornography - you know it when you see it.

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Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?

8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.

No it is not. I also have size 8 clothes from 20 years ago and they still fit.

So…from 2004? I have vintage wool skirt suits from the 1960s. They are size 8s and have a 26” waist. That is not vanity sizing. I generally wear a modern size 2.

Yeah…most vintage patterns only go down to size 6. When I compare measurement equivalents, that’s about a size 0 today

NP (and I wear a modern size 2 as well, if that matters to you), but so what? Sizing has changed. If your definition of “vanity sizing” is standard mall sizing since at least 2004, I think there’s a good argument that women’s sizing in the US has just changed. It’s not really vanity sizing anymore, except relative to runway sizing (which is not relevant to the vast majority of the women in this country). You just reached back to the 1960s to find size 8 garments with the same measurements as today’s size 2. That was 60(!) years ago. Things change.

But the correct size for a healthy human body doesn’t change in just 60 years! If you are arguing that “oh, I’m a size 8 so my waist measurement and weight must be heathy” based on some outdated idea that a size 8 is average, then you are misguided. A modern size 8 is worn by overweight women if you are an average height.

What??? At 5’7 and 135 lbs I wear a size 8. Some could weigh less but I don’t think that’s overweight at that height.

And your BMI is 21. So you’re obviously not the body anyone is discussing in this thread.

I was responding to the person saying a size 8 in today’s clothing is overweight

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Anonymous wrote:My wife is 5'3". She is definitely overweight when she's 110+ lbs. She was 100-108 all growing up. In the country she's from 105 lbs is also about a size medium in clothing for her size. She wouldn't even be petite in her country until she was below 95 lbs at her height.

We are just fatter in the west and accept a higher bar for weight until we consider it fat. In many other countries in the world, 120+ lbs for the standard woman at 5'4" is absolutely overweight.

Did you marry her because her tiny bird bone hand makes your small c*ck look bigger?

You mad because you're overweight?

Anonymous wrote:My wife is 5'3". She is definitely overweight when she's 110+ lbs. She was 100-108 all growing up. In the country she's from 105 lbs is also about a size medium in clothing for her size. She wouldn't even be petite in her country until she was below 95 lbs at her height.

We are just fatter in the west and accept a higher bar for weight until we consider it fat. In many other countries in the world, 120+ lbs for the standard woman at 5'4" is absolutely overweight.

And how fat are you? 5'3 and 110 pounds is not overweight. And why aren't you telling us how tall you are how much you weight. Why bring your wife into the discussion?

Anonymous wrote:My wife is 5'3". She is definitely overweight when she's 110+ lbs. She was 100-108 all growing up. In the country she's from 105 lbs is also about a size medium in clothing for her size. She wouldn't even be petite in her country until she was below 95 lbs at her height.

We are just fatter in the west and accept a higher bar for weight until we consider it fat. In many other countries in the world, 120+ lbs for the standard woman at 5'4" is absolutely overweight.

Did you marry her because her tiny bird bone hand makes your small c*ck look bigger?

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Anonymous wrote:For goodness sake, my BMI is 25 and I’m a size 8. What world are people living in?

8 is a 14 of non vanity sizes.

No it is not. I also have size 8 clothes from 20 years ago and they still fit.

So…from 2004? I have vintage wool skirt suits from the 1960s. They are size 8s and have a 26” waist. That is not vanity sizing. I generally wear a modern size 2.

Yeah…most vintage patterns only go down to size 6. When I compare measurement equivalents, that’s about a size 0 today

NP (and I wear a modern size 2 as well, if that matters to you), but so what? Sizing has changed. If your definition of “vanity sizing” is standard mall sizing since at least 2004, I think there’s a good argument that women’s sizing in the US has just changed. It’s not really vanity sizing anymore, except relative to runway sizing (which is not relevant to the vast majority of the women in this country). You just reached back to the 1960s to find size 8 garments with the same measurements as today’s size 2. That was 60(!) years ago. Things change.

But the correct size for a healthy human body doesn’t change in just 60 years! If you are arguing that “oh, I’m a size 8 so my waist measurement and weight must be heathy” based on some outdated idea that a size 8 is average, then you are misguided. A modern size 8 is worn by overweight women if you are an average height.

A lot of those bodies weren’t that healthy. They were keeping their weight down by smoking.