Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:55     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:Kid B may have a better chance of getting into a high ranked college because they “stand out” at a mediocre school but will be less prepared to actually do well in college and may either flunk out or have to switch majors to an easier one.



Kid A couldn’t even complete an AP class without hovering parents and tutors. Kid B did the work without any outside help.

Professors will see Kid Bs potential and will do what’s Necessary to keep Kid B on track. Kid A will blend in with the dozens of kids who don’t have many of the skills that Kid B has. Kid B has had to get work done on his own and at the same time make money to help his family. Kid B came home to an empty house every day while Kid A was picked up after school and driven to the tutors or math school or “sports” or whatever mom has scheduled.

Kid A has no idea that people like Kid B are out there. They are the valedictorians of public city schools. The naturally gifted, self motivated, hard working first generation of immigrants that will surpass Kid A in so many ways that matter. Jobs that are all about money will still be full of Kid As. Kid Bs will be doing the important work.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:42     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:Both will get in.

Kid B will have a hard time keeping up with Kid A.

Kid A's parent will get Kid A better summer internships.

Kid B will go home for the summer and flip burgers again.

Kid A may have better luck finding a prestige job after graduation.

Kid B will have some trouble getting foot in door but will eventually figure life out.

Kid A will repeat the high-cost, high-intensity parenting they were exposed to. At some point Kid A and or their kid may need mental health meds.

Kid B will have a lower life earning trajectory but will be happier for being kept off a tread mill. Kid B will employ a similar parenting style to parents. As a result, their kid may need to drop down 1 level of college selectivity due to increased application pressure on tippy top schools.

There will be no DCUM by then.

The End!


Kid B got the same test scores with much less effort. And apparently can do well in A P classes with less effort. Nothing says the classes aren't hard at the public school.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:37     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:Kid A gets in.

B is boring and low achieving. Doesn’t have a record of impact.


Kid A is boring and is only following a schedule laid out by her parents. Nothing about her is exceptional.

Kid B is exceptional because even without the opportunities that Kid A has she still manages to excel in a city where few are successful. Kid B never heard of these “club sports” that parents sign their kids up for and can’t imagine needing a tutor when the student was just in class.

Kid A is a dime a dozen. Kid B is exactly what the colleges are looking for.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:26     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Both will get in.

Kid B will have a hard time keeping up with Kid A.

Kid A's parent will get Kid A better summer internships.

Kid B will go home for the summer and flip burgers again.

Kid A may have better luck finding a prestige job after graduation.

Kid B will have some trouble getting foot in door but will eventually figure life out.

Kid A will repeat the high-cost, high-intensity parenting they were exposed to. At some point Kid A and or their kid may need mental health meds.

Kid B will have a lower life earning trajectory but will be happier for being kept off a tread mill. Kid B will employ a similar parenting style to parents. As a result, their kid may need to drop down 1 level of college selectivity due to increased application pressure on tippy top schools.

There will be no DCUM by then.

The End!


I am LITERALLY Kid B above. I had poor parents, but effortlessly aced high school and crushed the ACT and the LSAT. However, after law school, while my classmates were recruited by BigLaw, I lacked the discipline or social capital to get anything but JD advantage jobs. (I had to do contract doc review at a firm where several law school friends were associates.)

It took my almost 3 decades to get to $300,000, but I don't regret a thing.


I’m so sad about this. Do you think you didn’t have enough FGLI support in college/law school?


What is sad about this? That PP didn’t start earning 300K straight out of law school?


Yes. Like everyone else in class. Hopefully PP had no law school debt. Biglaw partner here who went to T3 firm upon graduation.

This goes to show you that even if you get to these places, all things are not equal.

And this is not the success story you think it is.





Why do you get to judge what a success story is? PP said they didn’t regret a thing. She sounds happy and successful to me.



PPP here (who had to wait 30 years to break $300k, when my classmates did this (in 2024 dollars) in less than 7 years.
I am happy, but financially much worse off than my classmates who probably have much larger retirement accounts. Also, when my parents pass, I will get a funeral bill. When my classmates' parents pass, they will get a 7 or 8 figure inheritance. Growing up poor follows you all of your life (and I'm one of lucky ones).


Let’s put this in perspective. How much are you worth right now?
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:22     Subject: Re:A tale of two worlds
It’s all about mindset. Kid B didn’t study and got a good-but-not-perfect score. If he got a 36, that would be a different story. A 2-point difference, though not numerically significant, reveals a lot about how much students are willing to work and put in effort to be the best. Kid A will likely retake and get a 36.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:19     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Both will get in.

Kid B will have a hard time keeping up with Kid A.

Kid A's parent will get Kid A better summer internships.

Kid B will go home for the summer and flip burgers again.

Kid A may have better luck finding a prestige job after graduation.

Kid B will have some trouble getting foot in door but will eventually figure life out.

Kid A will repeat the high-cost, high-intensity parenting they were exposed to. At some point Kid A and or their kid may need mental health meds.

Kid B will have a lower life earning trajectory but will be happier for being kept off a tread mill. Kid B will employ a similar parenting style to parents. As a result, their kid may need to drop down 1 level of college selectivity due to increased application pressure on tippy top schools.

There will be no DCUM by then.

The End!


I am LITERALLY Kid B above. I had poor parents, but effortlessly aced high school and crushed the ACT and the LSAT. However, after law school, while my classmates were recruited by BigLaw, I lacked the discipline or social capital to get anything but JD advantage jobs. (I had to do contract doc review at a firm where several law school friends were associates.)

It took my almost 3 decades to get to $300,000, but I don't regret a thing.


I’m so sad about this. Do you think you didn’t have enough FGLI support in college/law school?


What is sad about this? That PP didn’t start earning 300K straight out of law school?


Yes. Like everyone else in class. Hopefully PP had no law school debt. Biglaw partner here who went to T3 firm upon graduation.

This goes to show you that even if you get to these places, all things are not equal.

And this is not the success story you think it is.





Why do you get to judge what a success story is? PP said they didn’t regret a thing. She sounds happy and successful to me.



PPP here (who had to wait 30 years to break $300k, when my classmates did this (in 2024 dollars) in less than 7 years.
I am happy, but financially much worse off than my classmates who probably have much larger retirement accounts. Also, when my parents pass, I will get a funeral bill. When my classmates' parents pass, they will get a 7 or 8 figure inheritance. Growing up poor follows you all of your life (and I'm one of lucky ones).
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:17     Subject: A tale of two worlds
I grew up in another country and took the ACT with no prep just incase. I ended up going to university in my home country. I got a 96th percentile score on the ACT. I’m a good test taker but it seemed basic. Has it gotten harder over the years?

As a parent I’m between A and B. My parents were super duper hands off, like C or D on this scale, and l still went to one of the best universities in the world with zero family support. Now I’m in DCUM land and realizing just how lax my parents were compared to most parents around here.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:16     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:Kid B may have a better chance of getting into a high ranked college because they “stand out” at a mediocre school but will be less prepared to actually do well in college and may either flunk out or have to switch majors to an easier one.


Not necessarily, these colleges provide additional support to weak students so they won't mess up their graduation rates.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:11     Subject: A tale of two worlds
If you attend a mediocre small district, even commended students get pictures in local newspaper and recognition in school assembly, in a competitive large district there are 100 merit scholars, nobody is special.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:09     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Also consider confidence, recognition and opportunities one gets by being top among a group. A much smarter and dedicated kid from a competitive cohort would never get that. Even valedictorian would've years of struggle and threat of so many close competitors pushing him to lower rank anytime in four years of high school.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 13:04     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:Here are two parents.

Parent A sent their child to the most rigorous and best regarded private school.

Parent B sent their child to the local public with 5/10 rating.

Both kids take the most rigorous classes. Both get As. But Parent A’s kid has to work very hard, even has to get tutoring in some areas. Parent B’s kid gets As effortlessly, he spends very little time studying.

Parent A’s kid does math team and a varsity sport, competitions and tournaments. They volunteer on regular basis.

Parent B’s kid does school band and spends his free time on video games. In the summer they work a little at a fast food restaurant to make money for video games.

Both kids have the same amount of APs.

Both kids have the same ACT score of 34. But kid A had to slave to prep for it while the kid B just walked in and got it without any prep.

Kid A will doubtfully be on very top of his class because the peers are overachievers and the competition is tough.

Kid B will most likely be on top of his class because it’s a low performing school and his grades are exceptional.

The questions are:
1) Who will get admitted to a selective college, and
2) Why was parent A so stupid to invest so much money and time to get into the right school, find the right tutors, coaches, ACT prep, etc.


Grades are school dependent but ACT and AP scores aren't. That being said, kid B has a huge advantage of shining bright given his school's murky backdrop. Class rank makes you look smarter in a low performing cohort.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 12:56     Subject: Re:A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe I got to page 13 of this without crying for humanity or throwing up.


Between the UVA is Preppy, NEU, and this thread it proves that this site is indeed a bunch of bored day drinking housewives... no teenager in their right mind would be able to handle it.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 12:35     Subject: Re:A tale of two worlds
I can’t believe I got to page 13 of this without crying for humanity or throwing up.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 12:15     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:"Both kids have the same ACT score of 34. But kid A had to slave to prep for it while the kid B just walked in and got it without any prep."

It's incorrect to assume that Kid B is not as "smart" as Kid A just because they didn't attend a private school. Both students take rigorous classes, and Kid B easily scores a 34 on his ACT, while Kid A, despite the struggle, also achieved that 34. Many of you incorrectly assume that because the high school has a "low" rating, there aren't any good teachers or rigorous classes at the school. The only real difference seems to be their activities and Kid B is working.

I don't know what will happen with each of these hypothetical kids, but I don't think Kid B is as bad off as some of you think.


Agreed and this stood out most to be. Kid B sounds naturally bright and seems to be learning well enough to score high on assessments without obsession. This kid might flourish at a university with ample opportunities.


Super selective Universities don’t just admit kids with the “hope that they will flourish”. If they have no evidence of taking advantage of other opportunities… If they exist at their high school …

A Selective university is not just going to operate on good faith and think this kid might take advantage of stuff if he’s shown no evidence of doing it in HS.

But definitely this kid will have many options in the T35-75+ range. Just not the super selective ones.

What is the goal? A career in game design?
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2024 11:58     Subject: A tale of two worlds
Anonymous wrote:"Both kids have the same ACT score of 34. But kid A had to slave to prep for it while the kid B just walked in and got it without any prep."

It's incorrect to assume that Kid B is not as "smart" as Kid A just because they didn't attend a private school. Both students take rigorous classes, and Kid B easily scores a 34 on his ACT, while Kid A, despite the struggle, also achieved that 34. Many of you incorrectly assume that because the high school has a "low" rating, there aren't any good teachers or rigorous classes at the school. The only real difference seems to be their activities and Kid B is working.

I don't know what will happen with each of these hypothetical kids, but I don't think Kid B is as bad off as some of you think.


Agreed and this stood out most to be. Kid B sounds naturally bright and seems to be learning well enough to score high on assessments without obsession. This kid might flourish at a university with ample opportunities.