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Anonymous wrote:I really don't see a problem with the multiple albums.

Most kids just stream music, which you can do for free. I have listed to the whole thing twice including repeats on demand for free on pandora with some ads.

People buying albums are collectors or want the art. So they would PREFER more.

I feel like she screwed over her fans who preordered the album on iTunes who now have to pay twice for the same songs (12.99 + 14.99) when they could have had them all for 14.99. Like she needs more money.

Can someone explain this to me. They are two different albums. They aren’t the same songs.
Explain it like I’m 5.

They can’t explain it to you because they don’t understand it. They think people are mad because she release two albums, but that’s not it it.

Here’s an excerpt from an article Explain why people are mad…

Taylor Swift’s forthcoming album The Tortured Poets Department will be released on four different-coloured vinyl editions, each of them containing a different bonus track to incentivise fans to buy all four.

It’s clever marketing. She knows kids will force their poor parents to by all four. I bet there isn’t any discernible difference. One is more acoustic, the other is Hq, the other has more photos of Taylor , and the other has a personal message.

Am I right?

Force their poor parents? If it were up to my kids they’d probably eat chipotle and Chick-fil-A every day. But I’m the parent so I get to decide that’s not best.

No one is forced to buy multiple albums folks. Just like there’s no reason for me to have like 4 pairs of jeans. I’m sure some company somewhere is manipulating me, but ultimately I can stop the madness.

Right? Not to mention, the vast majority of her listeners are adults, not kids.

Anonymous wrote:The songs all sound the same and like they were written while she was drunk.

Yeah, I'm not impressed with the "two(!!!) albums." She should have culled and revised to create one tight album of 12 songs. Even NYT's review is titled "Taylor could use an editor."

NP. It’s weird how the Taylor fans are exactly as obsessed as the people who hate her

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

What did that poster lie about? She's from an UMC family and was marketed well. It doesn't mean she has zero talent. Lots of people have talent and never make it big.

I didn’t say lie I said make up random crap. They acted as if her parents were some insane financial geniuses rather than just upper middle-class folks with fairly normal professional jobs. Please point to me these insane marketing connections that are solely responsible for Taylor’s rise. It’s just a way of putting her success off of her and onto someone else and it’s really pathetic. Happens all the time and I’ll call it out.

Her parents absolutely helped her, because she was a teen when she went to Nashville and they made that career move happen. It's not like it's a secret or something atypical for young stars at all. In fact, Taylor Swift herself has talked about it and she has given credit to her parents for it. Talent alone is NEVER how fame and success happens. There's always luck, timing, a good push by someone.

Of course they helped her. But they didn’t make it happen, she did.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

What did that poster lie about? She's from an UMC family and was marketed well. It doesn't mean she has zero talent. Lots of people have talent and never make it big.

I didn’t say lie I said make up random crap. They acted as if her parents were some insane financial geniuses rather than just upper middle-class folks with fairly normal professional jobs. Please point to me these insane marketing connections that are solely responsible for Taylor’s rise. It’s just a way of putting her success off of her and onto someone else and it’s really pathetic. Happens all the time and I’ll call it out.

Her parents absolutely helped her, because she was a teen when she went to Nashville and they made that career move happen. It's not like it's a secret or something atypical for young stars at all. In fact, Taylor Swift herself has talked about it and she has given credit to her parents for it. Talent alone is NEVER how fame and success happens. There's always luck, timing, a good push by someone.

The songs all sound the same and like they were written while she was drunk.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

What did that poster lie about? She's from an UMC family and was marketed well. It doesn't mean she has zero talent. Lots of people have talent and never make it big.

I didn’t say lie I said make up random crap. They acted as if her parents were some insane financial geniuses rather than just upper middle-class folks with fairly normal professional jobs. Please point to me these insane marketing connections that are solely responsible for Taylor’s rise. It’s just a way of putting her success off of her and onto someone else and it’s really pathetic. Happens all the time and I’ll call it out.

You think she was an overnight success without help? Connections help making it in life.

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Anonymous wrote:This album is….not good, right? “All my friends smell like weed and little babies”

So many weird lines

I think the album is good, but out of 31 songs there are going to be better than others. I thought that was a weird line also.

BTW it's "All my friends smell like weed OR little babies"

Do still not understand this line?

Yes. I get the line, still think it sounds weird. Its about millennial life. There.

Nah, that line better describes Hippie Boomers circa 1970. And it’s god awful and unimaginative, like everything about Taylor Swift.

Youre both wrong.

mkay. Did Taylor call you and give you the inside scoop? Please let us know the right answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

I thought she’s from Stone Harbor NJ. A wealthy beach town? My cousin lives there and she claims Taylor is from there

Born in PA. Wiki doesn’t list her living in NJ.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

What did that poster lie about? She's from an UMC family and was marketed well. It doesn't mean she has zero talent. Lots of people have talent and never make it big.

I didn’t say lie I said make up random crap. They acted as if her parents were some insane financial geniuses rather than just upper middle-class folks with fairly normal professional jobs. Please point to me these insane marketing connections that are solely responsible for Taylor’s rise. It’s just a way of putting her success off of her and onto someone else and it’s really pathetic. Happens all the time and I’ll call it out.

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't see a problem with the multiple albums.

Most kids just stream music, which you can do for free. I have listed to the whole thing twice including repeats on demand for free on pandora with some ads.

People buying albums are collectors or want the art. So they would PREFER more.

I feel like she screwed over her fans who preordered the album on iTunes who now have to pay twice for the same songs (12.99 + 14.99) when they could have had them all for 14.99. Like she needs more money.

Can someone explain this to me. They are two different albums. They aren’t the same songs.
Explain it like I’m 5.

They can’t explain it to you because they don’t understand it. They think people are mad because she release two albums, but that’s not it it.

Here’s an excerpt from an article Explain why people are mad…

Taylor Swift’s forthcoming album The Tortured Poets Department will be released on four different-coloured vinyl editions, each of them containing a different bonus track to incentivise fans to buy all four.

It’s clever marketing. She knows kids will force their poor parents to by all four. I bet there isn’t any discernible difference. One is more acoustic, the other is Hq, the other has more photos of Taylor , and the other has a personal message.

Am I right?

Force their poor parents? If it were up to my kids they’d probably eat chipotle and Chick-fil-A every day. But I’m the parent so I get to decide that’s not best.

No one is forced to buy multiple albums folks. Just like there’s no reason for me to have like 4 pairs of jeans. I’m sure some company somewhere is manipulating me, but ultimately I can stop the madness.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

What did that poster lie about? She's from an UMC family and was marketed well. It doesn't mean she has zero talent. Lots of people have talent and never make it big.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

I thought she’s from Stone Harbor NJ. A wealthy beach town? My cousin lives there and she claims Taylor is from there

Yes, she’s from New Jersey. And the good news is, you can move there too, and your daughter will be a billionaire

Apparently you need “marketing connections”, and a background in mutual funds helps.

The secret sauce!

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift is a good song writer and singer. But not by all means a GREAT writer or singer. She hit the market at the right time with social media, etc. her parents were a stock broker and a mutual fund manager. So she came from money and parents who had great connections to marketing and THEY have all done a great job creating a super star who does not appear to be a diva.

I hope she and Travis make it as a couple. After awhile if you can’t keep a relationship going then it’s not them, it’s you.

Why do people just make up random crap? You don’t like Taylor fine but this is not at all her origin story. she grew up in some town in Pennsylvania… Her dad was in finance but I promise you if he was some finance guru with mad connections he wouldn’t be doing it from Pennsylvania.

Seems like people are desperate to pin Taylor’s fame on someone else. Her dad, her connections, some white man Wizard of Oz behind the curtain did it, and she’s not all that talented.

Probably a good percent of DCUM posters come from wealthy families with connections. I know I did. And yet, none of us are 14 time Grammy winning billionaires are we?

I thought she’s from Stone Harbor NJ. A wealthy beach town? My cousin lives there and she claims Taylor is from there

I just googled searched this. She was born in West Reading PA, spent her earlier years on a Christmas tree farm in PA. Moved to Wyomissing PA. Looks like her family did summer vacationsin Stone Harbor, but she never lived or went to school there.

To help her break in to the country music scene they moved to Nashville at 14.

Its clear her parents wanted this for her. But she really did not have any connections in the music industry… And just to say that they had marketing connections and that’s the reason for her success is a weird reach. They like any parents of kids who started young clearly helped her break into the industry. But how many tens of millions of kids have parents trying to do that and don’t succeed? or how many kids are born to famous actors and musicians and still have at best mediocre talent?

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Anonymous wrote:I really don't see a problem with the multiple albums.

Most kids just stream music, which you can do for free. I have listed to the whole thing twice including repeats on demand for free on pandora with some ads.

People buying albums are collectors or want the art. So they would PREFER more.

I feel like she screwed over her fans who preordered the album on iTunes who now have to pay twice for the same songs (12.99 + 14.99) when they could have had them all for 14.99. Like she needs more money.

Can someone explain this to me. They are two different albums. They aren’t the same songs.
Explain it like I’m 5.

They can’t explain it to you because they don’t understand it. They think people are mad because she release two albums, but that’s not it it.

Here’s an excerpt from an article Explain why people are mad…

Taylor Swift’s forthcoming album The Tortured Poets Department will be released on four different-coloured vinyl editions, each of them containing a different bonus track to incentivise fans to buy all four.

Why is it so hard for you to understand. Fan preordered one album so she took their money for that one. Then 2 hrs later released another album with an additional 15 songs, not jus tan additional bonus tracks but a whole second album for the price of one, in ADDITION to all the songs on the first album. So instead of getting all 31 songs on the second album for $14.99. They are now stuck paying $12.99 for the first album and an additional $14.99 for the second. So $27.98 for 31 songs instead of $14.99. Now had she released these weeks apart I would not care, but 2 hrs apart and pushing pre-sales when she knew she would force those who committed to the presale to buy both albums is a smart business move but also greedy and rude to fans.

All the people that bought the original album got the extra songs in the middle of the night without purchasing anything that’s why they were freaking out at 2 AM.

I preordered in iTunes and only received the first album/16 songs. If I want the other songs I need to purchase the second album.

Did you order them from the Taylor Swift official website?

No, itunes. So there is no returning/cancelling the order.

If I had done so on her site would she have thrown in the additional songs or still treated a 2 separate albums? The prices are slightly different.