Man now Biden is gonna lose Pennsylvania

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Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

Yeah, like most Philadelphians, I was outraged when they raised building height. It wasn't just about William Penn (and I was raised as a member of Central Philadelphia meeting), and my ancestors were Quakers in Pennsylvania. It wasn't really about William Penn at all.

It was something unique that made our skyline special, kept it to a human scale. Philadelphia has always been one of the most walkable, well-designed cities with a solid residential core in the entire country.

But that's beside the point. This thread is full of trolls calling William Penn a racist slave owner who deserves to be wiped from history. This kind of simplistic revisioning of the past is quite dangerous.

But the OP posted about a statue being removed and that brought out trolls who have never given 2 sh!ts about public art to start crying about "history being erased" when that is not what is happening with the decision to upgrade and redesign a dismal plaza space.

The Park Service original plans called for erasing everything about William Penn. His statue. The model of the Slate Roof House (his home), his timeline, and info about the Welcome (his ship he and the Quakers came over on.) The park is even named after his ship. ESSENTIALLY, HISTORY WAS BEING ERASED WHEN YOU REMOVE ALL TRACES OF WILLIAM PENN from the site of his first home.

The park was going to be changed to a celebration of Native Americans.

Anonymous wrote:Statue is now staying.

https://www.nps.gov/inde/learn/news/park-withdraws-review-of-welcome-park-rehabilitation-proposal.htm

I guess there was a lot of kick back about cancelling William Penn.

That's an understatement.

Statue is now staying.

https://www.nps.gov/inde/learn/news/park-withdraws-review-of-welcome-park-rehabilitation-proposal.htm

I guess there was a lot of kick back about cancelling William Penn.

https://www.nps.gov/inde/learn/news/park-seeks-input-on-the-rehabilitation-of-welcome-park.htm

They could promote the Native American Exhibit elsewhere in Philadelphia. The plan is to remove the William Penn Statue, The William Penn timeline, and the model of the Slate Room House (wear Penn lived.)

The park is named Welcome Park, (after Penn's ship, the Welcome.) All info about the Welcome ship will be removed also.

Essentially they want to cancel William Penn, his ship, his park, his timeline, and the model of the Slate Room Park.

The park is on the site of the Slate Roof House where William Penn lived.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

Yeah, like most Philadelphians, I was outraged when they raised building height. It wasn't just about William Penn (and I was raised as a member of Central Philadelphia meeting), and my ancestors were Quakers in Pennsylvania. It wasn't really about William Penn at all.

It was something unique that made our skyline special, kept it to a human scale. Philadelphia has always been one of the most walkable, well-designed cities with a solid residential core in the entire country.

But that's beside the point. This thread is full of trolls calling William Penn a racist slave owner who deserves to be wiped from history. This kind of simplistic revisioning of the past is quite dangerous.

But the OP posted about a statue being removed and that brought out trolls who have never given 2 sh!ts about public art to start crying about "history being erased" when that is not what is happening with the decision to upgrade and redesign a dismal plaza space.

Removing Penn's statue is simply silly. It is WOKE going too far. Certainly, we can add statues of others, but Penn's removal is bizarre.

They have asked for input about the plans to redesign the plaza. You are free to offer your input about this particular statue you seem to love so much. But if you claim that are trying to cancel W.P. you will just look like an idiot because they aren't.

Anonymous wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Penn

Wasn’t Penn a Quaker who lived peacefully with native Americans? And quakers were antislavery. In fact, Pennsylvania was a haven for freed slaves thanks to the Underground Railroad essentially run by quakers.

The group of Quakers that came to Pennsylvania sponsored by William Penn wrote the first anti slavery tract in the Americas.

This was written in 1688 in Germantown (a part of Philly.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1688_Germantown_Quaker_Petition_Against_Slavery

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

Yeah, like most Philadelphians, I was outraged when they raised building height. It wasn't just about William Penn (and I was raised as a member of Central Philadelphia meeting), and my ancestors were Quakers in Pennsylvania. It wasn't really about William Penn at all.

It was something unique that made our skyline special, kept it to a human scale. Philadelphia has always been one of the most walkable, well-designed cities with a solid residential core in the entire country.

But that's beside the point. This thread is full of trolls calling William Penn a racist slave owner who deserves to be wiped from history. This kind of simplistic revisioning of the past is quite dangerous.

But the OP posted about a statue being removed and that brought out trolls who have never given 2 sh!ts about public art to start crying about "history being erased" when that is not what is happening with the decision to upgrade and redesign a dismal plaza space.

Removing Penn's statue is simply silly. It is WOKE going too far. Certainly, we can add statues of others, but Penn's removal is bizarre.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

Yeah, like most Philadelphians, I was outraged when they raised building height. It wasn't just about William Penn (and I was raised as a member of Central Philadelphia meeting), and my ancestors were Quakers in Pennsylvania. It wasn't really about William Penn at all.

It was something unique that made our skyline special, kept it to a human scale. Philadelphia has always been one of the most walkable, well-designed cities with a solid residential core in the entire country.

But that's beside the point. This thread is full of trolls calling William Penn a racist slave owner who deserves to be wiped from history. This kind of simplistic revisioning of the past is quite dangerous.

But the OP posted about a statue being removed and that brought out trolls who have never given 2 sh!ts about public art to start crying about "history being erased" when that is not what is happening with the decision to upgrade and redesign a dismal plaza space.

better yet lets remove biden and all his minions

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Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

Yeah, like most Philadelphians, I was outraged when they raised building height. It wasn't just about William Penn (and I was raised as a member of Central Philadelphia meeting), and my ancestors were Quakers in Pennsylvania. It wasn't really about William Penn at all.

It was something unique that made our skyline special, kept it to a human scale. Philadelphia has always been one of the most walkable, well-designed cities with a solid residential core in the entire country.

But that's beside the point. This thread is full of trolls calling William Penn a racist slave owner who deserves to be wiped from history. This kind of simplistic revisioning of the past is quite dangerous.

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

He’s on top of City Hall. Do we have to have multiple statues of dead men everywhere? I think one is enough per city.

What's the harm in statuary? Do we have to have so many Victorian buildings in Philadelphia? The era was racist and bad! We should tear them all down!

Anonymous wrote:It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢

It's destroying American history to redesign a plaza from 1982 that has a statue that is a smaller replica of a statue that literally is in the center of the city on top of what used to be the tallest point in the city, making it visible from everywhere? Please do explain how something put up 40 years ago is so sacrosanct, when it's not even an original.

Were you this roiled up when the skyscrapers were built that blocked the view of the ORIGINAL statue you are so nostalgic about? Did you even know this statue existed before Fox News and Twitter told you about it?

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Anonymous wrote:And? He was an enslaver.

Lots of people were enslavers. Should we take away the monuments to Native Americans too? They were enslavers too.

Penn was a product of his time, it’s naive to think someone from that era would home the values you or anyone else does today.

Exactly. African's enslaved africans...Chinese enslaved Chinese....Indians enslaved Indians....Europeans enslaved Europeans... and on and on. It's just such a stupid/lazy argument.