Anonymous
11/26/2023 22:20
Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:The problem with college admissions right now is that it is in a state of flux. None of the old rules apply and the new rules keep changing. I have read that some schools are test preferred, some schools won't look at scores and most are test optional. How can college counselors keep up with all the changes? Should I trust the college counselor who is also having to learn the new rules of college admissions?
This is about the only valid point made in this thread. It's in flux. It's a mess. Even conventions that colleges relied on in the past have been upended due to demographic shifts, affirmative action changes, and covid. A point that my friend from HS, now in admissions at an ivy, agrees with. It's a crapshoot.
Those of you like the PP (who seems to now think they are being persecuted), those who rely on numbers and benchmarks and studies you can't actually cite but insist are important, should learn yo be a bit less rigid and a bit more creative--or a bit less status-obsessed about where your kid lands.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 22:14
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:It’s just as sad to have to remind you again that your opinion of standardized testing isn’t gospel.
Do you work in test development? Do you even understand the purpose and meaning of validation studies?
If your answers to these questions are “No”, please stop disseminating your opinion. It’s already been made.
It's not an opinion. It's the way things work.
I know you want to believe there's a magic number and that number means something. It's what someone told you and you are nothing if not a good little rule-abider. But it's not that simple.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:46
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
It’s just as sad to have to remind you again that your opinion of standardized testing isn’t gospel.
Do you work in test development? Do you even understand the purpose and meaning of validation studies?
If your answers to these questions are “No”, please stop disseminating your opinion. It’s already been made.
Do you work in test development? Do you even understand the purpose and meaning of validation studies?
If your answers to these questions are “No”, please stop disseminating your opinion. It’s already been made.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:35
Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
I think it's really sad to have a high-acheiving kid and either still be putting them down for not being *good enough* to get into whatever striver college you read about in Town & Country, or to feel the need to put other high-acheiving kids down.
The truth, as I've explained to you before, is your high-scorer is just one of three thousand all applying to the same programs and the same majors at that selective school and all from the same suburbs ringing DC. A perfect sat score isn't what's going to set them apart. If you understood math as well as your kid you'd see that for the blip, the statistical anomaly it is.
Something else has to work for your kid. They have to actually be an interesting person. I hope they are.
Good luck!
The truth, as I've explained to you before, is your high-scorer is just one of three thousand all applying to the same programs and the same majors at that selective school and all from the same suburbs ringing DC. A perfect sat score isn't what's going to set them apart. If you understood math as well as your kid you'd see that for the blip, the statistical anomaly it is.
Something else has to work for your kid. They have to actually be an interesting person. I hope they are.
Good luck!
Anonymous
11/26/2023 20:28
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
Yes. Sweetie. You're the victim here.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Based on the rest of your super scored drivel, it’s little surprise that you don’t have mastery of e.g. vs. i.e.
Nevertheless, you and the low test score / grade-inflated GPA posse are free to continue living in fantasyland.
Not PP, but still have to ask----- what's wrong with you?
It’s a fascinating question to ask of someone responding to a post where they were told “your opinion is dumb and worthless” and you’re “lacking of any intelligence”. It’s almost … it’s almost like … slut shaming.
Oh boy, I cannot wait to read how I asked for it by expressing an opinion that LITERALLY reflects the manner in which applicants were evaluated by nearly every college until the pandemic.
Anonymous
11/26/2023 12:13
Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some schools don’t superscore-Wisconsin and Stanford, for example. So, you can assume those AO’s care.
Stanford super scores the SAT. Google is your friend.
I’m talking about the ACT-no superscoring allowed there.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 17:33
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Based on the rest of your super scored drivel, it’s little surprise that you don’t have mastery of e.g. vs. i.e.
Nevertheless, you and the low test score / grade-inflated GPA posse are free to continue living in fantasyland.
Not PP, but still have to ask----- what's wrong with you?
It’s a fascinating question to ask of someone responding to a post where they were told “your opinion is dumb and worthless” and you’re “lacking of any intelligence”. It’s almost … it’s almost like … slut shaming.
Oh boy, I cannot wait to read how I asked for it by expressing an opinion that LITERALLY reflects the manner in which applicants were evaluated by nearly every college until the pandemic.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 16:56
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Based on the rest of your super scored drivel, it’s little surprise that you don’t have mastery of e.g. vs. i.e.
Nevertheless, you and the low test score / grade-inflated GPA posse are free to continue living in fantasyland.
PP used ie correctly.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 16:36
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Based on the rest of your super scored drivel, it’s little surprise that you don’t have mastery of e.g. vs. i.e.
Nevertheless, you and the low test score / grade-inflated GPA posse are free to continue living in fantasyland.
Not PP, but still have to ask----- what's wrong with you?
Anonymous
11/25/2023 16:10
Subject: Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
The problem with college admissions right now is that it is in a state of flux. None of the old rules apply and the new rules keep changing. I have read that some schools are test preferred, some schools won't look at scores and most are test optional. How can college counselors keep up with all the changes? Should I trust the college counselor who is also having to learn the new rules of college admissions?
Anonymous
11/25/2023 14:24
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Based on the rest of your super scored drivel, it’s little surprise that you don’t have mastery of e.g. vs. i.e.
Nevertheless, you and the low test score / grade-inflated GPA posse are free to continue living in fantasyland.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 14:19
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The college AOs already know, and most rank over one and done's over the applicants who need repeat administrations to Frankenstein their score.
Nah you don't get any brownie points for taking the SAT only once compared to someone who took it six times, sorry.
+100 They just want the highest score possible for their average. The schools really don’t care how many times you took it. One exception- Georgetown.
If you think “holistic review” just boils down to the highest GPA and the highest standardized test scores they can submit to USNWR, allowing for hooks, why don’t they slash funding for the admissions process and just run a query for those two data points and drop the pretense that essays matter, that ECs matter, etc.?
For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process. Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
I don’t know why you keep bringing up the “one and done.” Regardless of what that may or may but indicate, almost every school super scores, so no extra credit for one and done. Most colleges on the common app have you self report your super score, so would have no way of even knowing there was a one and done situation.
Doesn’t the common app ask the date for each portion, though? I think I remember seeing math score and date, science score and date, etc.
In which case, they know if it’s superscored?
Anonymous
11/25/2023 14:13
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Whether to submit and the actual result here are two different things. Maybe submit a 1500 at Duke, but if unhooked you are competing against a lot of kids with 1550+. Facts. GPA in the context of rigor/school is the primary factor and, sure, not submitting makes it look like you have a 1390, but submitting that 1500 pegs you at the low end of the competitive applicant pool (a pool that is first and foremost the pool of students applying from the same high school).
This info communicated to us by our kid's guidance counselor at top non-DC private, who spent the last 12 years in admissions at what DCUMers like to characterize as a mid-tier Ivy.
You can spin this thing however you want but 1500 and 1560 are not the same, and there's a reason schools publish those 25-75 spreads.
Yes this is all very stupid but so are many other things in this country.
This info communicated to us by our kid's guidance counselor at top non-DC private, who spent the last 12 years in admissions at what DCUMers like to characterize as a mid-tier Ivy.
You can spin this thing however you want but 1500 and 1560 are not the same, and there's a reason schools publish those 25-75 spreads.
Yes this is all very stupid but so are many other things in this country.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 14:04
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process.
Your opinion is dumb and worthless.
Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
GPA reflects sustained effort over a long period of time, which indicates college preparedness to anyone with any intelligence (ie not you).
Taking the test multiple times also requires sustained effort over a long period of time, not just a one day snapshot.
Anonymous
11/25/2023 13:57
Subject: Re:Should DC submit 1500 score to Duke?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The college AOs already know, and most rank over one and done's over the applicants who need repeat administrations to Frankenstein their score.
Nah you don't get any brownie points for taking the SAT only once compared to someone who took it six times, sorry.
+100 They just want the highest score possible for their average. The schools really don’t care how many times you took it. One exception- Georgetown.
If you think “holistic review” just boils down to the highest GPA and the highest standardized test scores they can submit to USNWR, allowing for hooks, why don’t they slash funding for the admissions process and just run a query for those two data points and drop the pretense that essays matter, that ECs matter, etc.?
For my $$$, there’s a significant difference between a one-and-done composite 1600/36 and a 1600/36 that’s been cobbled together across either multiple administrations or the super scoring process. Hard to believe that schools can justify “do-overs” on the standardized test side, but then look at the GPA side as any kind of rigid indicator of preparedness.
I don’t know why you keep bringing up the “one and done.” Regardless of what that may or may but indicate, almost every school super scores, so no extra credit for one and done. Most colleges on the common app have you self report your super score, so would have no way of even knowing there was a one and done situation.