Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 22:28     Subject: Re:Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:It's going to be Trump. If Trump dies (because he will run from jail), it will be DeSantis. MAGA don't like Nikki. She will never, ever, ever win. If you don't like Trump you have two options: Biden or stay home. That's it. Jump on over to the thread "Texas judge grants woman’s request for abortion despite state ban" if you don't understand the fury women have. We are not voting for a Republican, ever.


I love the way you think you speak for all women. You do not. While I'm pro-choice, abortion is not the only issue. My single-issue will be the border, and there is no way in hell I'll be voting for Biden.

Enjoy being a non person in the fascist paradise you’re voting for. I know you think that won’t be the case, but the forced birther states are showing you that’s the case. So enjoy!


Sure, whatever you say. Keep up the hyperbole and nonsense.

That’s neither hyperbole nor nonsense; you’re not very good at thinking logically (as evidenced by your border obsession and by not observing the current degradation of women’s rights at the hands of Republicans).


Funny that someone as obsessed with abortion as you clearly are would call out someone else for being "obsessed." Know thyself. Look, we all have our most important issues. You just look incredibly foolish insisting that your top issue should be everyone else's.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 22:26     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like she is our only chance. I don’t identify with any political party and tend to lean liberal. Like many, I know Trump is not mentally stable and a risk to democracy and I feel Biden is too fragile.
Nikki Haley seems like a good middle of the road choice and she has a background in government.
Any thoughts? MAGA crazies need not reply.


none. no one will vote for an Indian.


You are delusional. Good grief.
NP
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 20:36     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

Anonymous wrote:All polls indicate that if Trump leaves the race, his voters move to Desantis.
There is no path for Haley.


I don't doubt this but in a hypothetical match-up, Haley would be a lock to beat Biden but DeSantis wouldn't provide for an absolute guarantee of victory over Biden. I think DeSantis would fair only slightly better than Trump in a general election. A normal Dem candidate would crush DeSantis and would be a slight favorite against Haley. The fact that DeSantis has an edge on Haley in the what if Trump couldn't run hypothetical race makes this conversation a moot point.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 20:24     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

All polls indicate that if Trump leaves the race, his voters move to Desantis.
There is no path for Haley.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 19:57     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Yes, this would be the case if Trump's removal from the race happened after Biden was nominated. If Trump expires or otherwise withdrew from the race prior to Biden being nominated, Biden would withdraw as well and the Dems would nominate someone of equal competence to Haley and that Dem nominee would be a slight favorite to beat Haley.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 12:40     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


Trump isn't losing the nomination. The only way he doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses to back out or is forced to back out of the race due to legal or health issues. He has no reason to attack the other GOP candidates for the same reason he has no reason to participate in the debates. Trump vs Biden in the general election is a toss up. Trump vs a normal Dem candidate in the general election is a guaranteed victory for the Dems. Biden vs Trump is a toss up. Biden vs a normal GOP candidate is a guaranteed victory for the GOP. This is how weak Trump and Biden are as presidential candidates per the perception of a majority of Americans. We can argue against the opinion of most Americans all we want but those opinions aren't going to change before the 2024 election.

Roe v Wade says hi.


Exactly! With Roe v Wade giving Dems continuing political momentum, we will easily be able to beat Trump with any normal candidate.

It won't be easy but I would rather be a Dem than an R. We still all need to work our butts off. I really hope all the posters in the Texas abortion thread channel their rage into action. We can't depend on "the DNC" or even Biden to carry this alone. It's up to us. Biden is busy leading. And he's doing a damn good job!

The best antidote to anxiety is action.


My heart says agree with this but my brain says I need to listen to the people which leads me to hope for Biden to step away so that there is no chance of Trump winning.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 12:33     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


Trump isn't losing the nomination. The only way he doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses to back out or is forced to back out of the race due to legal or health issues. He has no reason to attack the other GOP candidates for the same reason he has no reason to participate in the debates. Trump vs Biden in the general election is a toss up. Trump vs a normal Dem candidate in the general election is a guaranteed victory for the Dems. Biden vs Trump is a toss up. Biden vs a normal GOP candidate is a guaranteed victory for the GOP. This is how weak Trump and Biden are as presidential candidates per the perception of a majority of Americans. We can argue against the opinion of most Americans all we want but those opinions aren't going to change before the 2024 election.

Roe v Wade says hi.


Exactly! With Roe v Wade giving Dems continuing political momentum, we will easily be able to beat Trump with any normal candidate.

It won't be easy but I would rather be a Dem than an R. We still all need to work our butts off. I really hope all the posters in the Texas abortion thread channel their rage into action. We can't depend on "the DNC" or even Biden to carry this alone. It's up to us. Biden is busy leading. And he's doing a damn good job!

The best antidote to anxiety is action.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 12:10     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


Trump isn't losing the nomination. The only way he doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses to back out or is forced to back out of the race due to legal or health issues. He has no reason to attack the other GOP candidates for the same reason he has no reason to participate in the debates. Trump vs Biden in the general election is a toss up. Trump vs a normal Dem candidate in the general election is a guaranteed victory for the Dems. Biden vs Trump is a toss up. Biden vs a normal GOP candidate is a guaranteed victory for the GOP. This is how weak Trump and Biden are as presidential candidates per the perception of a majority of Americans. We can argue against the opinion of most Americans all we want but those opinions aren't going to change before the 2024 election.

Roe v Wade says hi.


Exactly! With Roe v Wade giving Dems continuing political momentum, we will easily be able to beat Trump with any normal candidate.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 12:01     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


Trump isn't losing the nomination. The only way he doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses to back out or is forced to back out of the race due to legal or health issues. He has no reason to attack the other GOP candidates for the same reason he has no reason to participate in the debates. Trump vs Biden in the general election is a toss up. Trump vs a normal Dem candidate in the general election is a guaranteed victory for the Dems. Biden vs Trump is a toss up. Biden vs a normal GOP candidate is a guaranteed victory for the GOP. This is how weak Trump and Biden are as presidential candidates per the perception of a majority of Americans. We can argue against the opinion of most Americans all we want but those opinions aren't going to change before the 2024 election.

Roe v Wade says hi.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 11:44     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


Trump isn't losing the nomination. The only way he doesn't get the nomination is if he chooses to back out or is forced to back out of the race due to legal or health issues. He has no reason to attack the other GOP candidates for the same reason he has no reason to participate in the debates. Trump vs Biden in the general election is a toss up. Trump vs a normal Dem candidate in the general election is a guaranteed victory for the Dems. Biden vs Trump is a toss up. Biden vs a normal GOP candidate is a guaranteed victory for the GOP. This is how weak Trump and Biden are as presidential candidates per the perception of a majority of Americans. We can argue against the opinion of most Americans all we want but those opinions aren't going to change before the 2024 election.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 11:34     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.


PP here. Thank you, that’s exactly what I meant. In fact, if Trump didn’t get the Republican nomination, I think he would focus all of his rage at Nikki Haley and the RNC. He would actually try to help Biden win in order to punish the RNC for not nominating him.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 11:31     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.

THIS. I'm trying to understand who these people are still hoping for anyone but Trump to be the R nominee. What are they thinking? Somehow Trump endorses anyone but himself and his supporters move to them? In what world are they living in? OF COURSE Trump is going to bring down the whole party if he's not the nominee. But he WILL be the nominee, the guy's at over 50% of GOP supporters. He IS the GOP.

The unbelievable denial of some voters is just astounding.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 11:25     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency

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Not PP but I think you’re missing the point. Even if by some miracle Trump doesn’t win the Republican nomination, he would spend a lot of his time attacking not only Biden but the Republican nominee as well. So he or she wouldn’t get a lot of Trump voters to come out for them.
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 11:08     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.


By your logic, Biden will crush Trump in a landslide. Pretty sure you need to get your head out of the sand and pay attention or else the blood of a second Trump term as president will be on your hands. Laziness = Trump presidency
Anonymous
Post 12/14/2023 10:57     Subject: Nikki Haley - What are the chances

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Anonymous wrote:If Trump dies or otherwise does not run, Haley will win.


Doubt it. The MAGAs are not going to be energized to run out for her. She is no trump..she is a snooze fest compared to him.



According to the WSJ poll, she beats Biden by 17 points. If Republicans nominated Haley, it would be a landslide.


That's only in a situation where it is Haley vs Biden. Of course she wins in that scenario. Replace Biden with a normal candidate and it's a much tighter race with the Dem candidate being the slight favorite over Haley considering the momentum Dems currently have everywhere else. Replace Biden with a normal candidate to face Trump in the general election..... now that would be the landslide of landslide victories for the Dems.


There is absolutely no chance whatsoever that Haley could beat Biden with Trump pulling her down like an anchor.