Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:24
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
We can’t save you from yourselves.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
Most Republican House members support aid to Ukraine. How about they actually implement the Republican agenda?
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4226675-most-house-republicans-vote-to-uphold-ukraine-aid/
They don't agree with unlimited cash drops. They want to make Ukraine commit to negotiating the disputed areas. That is unpalatable for most Ds.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:22
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
I don't think McCarthy could have moved anything forward to get votes from Ds. They have a strategy of advancing the hard right, as they did in the midterms. An extreme right win is much better business for the left than a cooperative Speaker.
I disagree. I think moderate positions like advancing the Ukraine funding (which passed the house already) to the senate would have made it hard for the Democrats to vote en masse against him. But he said he didn’t want those votes and I think his assessment— rightly— is that coalition government wasn’t something he wanted a part of.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:20
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
Most Republican House members support aid to Ukraine. How about they actually implement the Republican agenda?
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4226675-most-house-republicans-vote-to-uphold-ukraine-aid/
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:17
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
Gee they could put up a moderate Republican for Speaker and get some Democratic votes. Then they wouldn't be beholden to the lunatics.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:16
Subject: Re:Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:If all the Dems and just a few R’s can oust the speaker, then why can’t all the Dems and just a few R’s elect a RINO speaker? Bottom line is that it’s insane that we would have a shutdown when the vast majority of congressmen/senators think a shutdown would be terrible.
That remains an available option. You’d have to look to the 90 republicans who didn’t want to close the government for your start.
Coalition government is hard. McCarthy turned down his chance to try when he said he wouldn’t work with democrats to save his speakership.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:12
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
I don't think McCarthy could have moved anything forward to get votes from Ds. They have a strategy of advancing the hard right, as they did in the midterms. An extreme right win is much better business for the left than a cooperative Speaker.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:10
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
^^^ sorry - that was supposed to be in response to the person who said Scalise’s cancer is treatable.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:10
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
McCarthy did nothing for Democrats. He hasn’t been reasonable or accommodating in any way. The lunatics have been running the House with him as Speaker. Stop the gaslighting.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 07:09
Subject: Re:Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:57
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Not blaming the Democrats for the averted crises probably would have been enough to garner Dem votes sufficient to keep him in office.
But he couldn't even cross that low bar.
But he couldn't even cross that low bar.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:54
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
The Democrats voted in a block with the hard right to oust a moderate Republican speaker. The fallout from that will be felt by everyone, not just the hard right.
McCarthy isn’t a moderate. The fact that he seems to you to be is suggestive of a creeping Overton window.
Politics is about compromise, and electing people who will move your agenda forward. What elements of the Democratic agenda do you think McCarthy should have agreed to move forward in order to secure their votes?
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:51
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
McCarthy voted against the regular transition of power on January 6.
McCarthy knew Trump was funded by Russia and still sucked up to him.
McCarthy facilitated the bogus "Impeachment" proceedings.
McCarthy tried to torpedo the Jan 6 House investigation.
McCarthy messed around with the debt ceiling and then made a deal.
McCarthy then reneged on that deal and very publicly blamed Democrats.
Why on earth should McCarthy be trusted or entrusted with anything having to do with Democrats?
Exactly. He probably isn’t a MAGA at heart, but he acted like one because he was completely controlled by them.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:44
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
I agree. I think the House Dems should have tried to make it work longer with McCarthy. The alternatives are way more extreme.
McCarthy voted against the regular transition of power on January 6.
McCarthy knew Trump was funded by Russia and still sucked up to him.
McCarthy facilitated the bogus "Impeachment" proceedings.
McCarthy tried to torpedo the Jan 6 House investigation.
McCarthy messed around with the debt ceiling and then made a deal.
McCarthy then reneged on that deal and very publicly blamed Democrats.
Why on earth should McCarthy be trusted or entrusted with anything having to do with Democrats?
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:42
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
It doesn't matter who the GOP speaker is. If they can't simply pass the senate omnibus budget bill, then it is a failure that is laid at their feet. Everything else is just noise.
Anonymous
10/04/2023 06:35
Subject: Republican Hardliners Rolled and the future of McCarthy
Anonymous wrote:I’d love to hear from the democrats here. Isn’t Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik worse than McCarthy? What is the play from democrats sitting back? To be clear, I don’t think the democrats had the responsibility of saving McCarthy. I just think other options (people) for doing bi-partisan deals are worse. Scalise, Jordan and Stefanik will try to ram down MAGA policies. Sure they won’t get far in the senate. But the one thing that has to get done is the budget. And I see these three nutcases passing so 30% cut to all non-defense agencies.
You mean, they will try to do the same thing that McCarthy was trying to do?