Anonymous wrote:Just saw this on YouTube. The driver expected to get just a slap on the wrist. No remorse.

https://youtu.be/sx52YKPpN7w?si=78iJrbqOj7PpNHpB

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Anonymous wrote:What makes 17 a minor but 18 an adult even if few months apart?

Obviously it is a legal designation but the process of maturing into adulthood is a long process with the brain not being fully formed until mid twenties.

They can be tried as adults but the Supreme Court ruled against the death penalty for people who who were minors when they vomited their crimes being punished. So they are likely to face long prison sentences and have life time bans on driving.

Well, then male under 30 should be considered minor as new studies say male brain keeps growing until early 30's?

I think an average 5 year old (male or female) understands that we hurting others and stealing from them is wrong. It has nothing to do with brain development.

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Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html

If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.

I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.

Do I believe my child is capable of making a mistake and inadvertently committing a violent crime? Yes.

However, I do firmly believe that my teenager would never steal a car, run down an innocent bicyclist, make a video of the entire event, including the lifeless body lying on the road, and post the footage on social media.

Sometimes things are black and white. There are no “extenuating circumstances” or explanations that can excuse these actions.

+1 And I have years of working with teens, too.

That does not mean imposing the death sentence would help.

It indicates the teens are either criminally insane or have severe mental health problems. They may require life long prison sentences, forced medical supervision and never being allowed to drive again but does not mean they should be sentenced to death.

But what is the POINT of all of that? These two are lost effing causes. I’d rather load them into a rocket and fire them into the sun than waste any money/time/resources on their imprisonment and/or mental health care. Seriously, f*** them.

Because we degrade ourselves and become no better than murderers ourselves when we support state sanctioned murder. It is not effective in deterring violent crime and maintaining death row legal processes is much more expensive than regular imprisonment.

This is just your opinion- I vehemently disagree.

And as for expense, we could change the process so that it is not more expensive to just execute two people who very clearly and with zero doubt whatsoever committed cold blooded murder than it is to provide them with free room and board for the rest of their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen is that money is given to the people affected. His wife. His kids. They need help to recover. More judges need to order payments to the people directly affected by crimes. The person injured. The person who now doesn't have a husband. Unfortunately people want justice, but the people who experience trauma just want to heal.

Society needs a deterrent to crime. Do you disagree with that?

NP. I get what the PP is saying and you as well. To me, a good blend would be a work house. Make those offers WORK HARD for fair wages that go directly to restitution and room and board. Maybe they'll come out of it with a skill of some kind that can get them a job and help prevent recidivism. Open a jail house machine shop, bakery, soap company, auto shop etc and teach skills, let them earn money toward compensating their victims plus room and board. It's something.

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Anonymous wrote:What needs to happen is that money is given to the people affected. His wife. His kids. They need help to recover. More judges need to order payments to the people directly affected by crimes. The person injured. The person who now doesn't have a husband. Unfortunately people want justice, but the people who experience trauma just want to heal.

Society needs a deterrent to crime. Do you disagree with that?

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Anonymous wrote:This is so horrific. Ugh. What is wrong with people?

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1702826825880129577

This is second degree murder. I doubt a judge would feel sympathy for person who lacks empathy.

He hit an innocent person and ran with no regard for human life.
He risked his own life.
He stole a car.
He drove without a license.
He risked life of other minor.

He was smart enough to hide his face, steal a car, drive it, ditch police after theft and accident. Why are we assuming that one year in juvenile prison would make him an empath?

He needs to be tried as an adult or get 5 years serving in a hospital's trauma ward in evenings and attending trade school and moral rehabilitation therapy during day.

What's not first degree about it. He had time to consider what he was doing. It wasn't a sudden impulse, he intentionally drove up on that guy to hit him.

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Anonymous wrote:Jail, and forced sterilization so he doesn't procreate. And I'd smack his momma too, just for creating such a burden on society.

So the father escapes blame free?

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Anonymous wrote:What makes 17 a minor but 18 an adult even if few months apart?

Obviously it is a legal designation but the process of maturing into adulthood is a long process with the brain not being fully formed until mid twenties.

They can be tried as adults but the Supreme Court ruled against the death penalty for people who who were minors when they vomited their crimes being punished. So they are likely to face long prison sentences and have life time bans on driving.

Anonymous wrote:Jail, and forced sterilization so he doesn't procreate. And I'd smack his momma too, just for creating such a burden on society.

Anonymous wrote:What makes 17 a minor but 18 an adult even if few months apart?

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Anonymous wrote:This is so horrific. Ugh. What is wrong with people?

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1702826825880129577

This is second degree murder. I doubt a judge would feel sympathy for person who lacks empathy.

He hit an innocent person and ran with no regard for human life.
He risked his own life.
He stole a car.
He drove without a license.
He risked life of other minor.

He was smart enough to hide his face, steal a car, drive it, ditch police after theft and accident. Why are we assuming that one year in juvenile prison would make him an empath?

He needs to be tried as an adult or get 5 years serving in a hospital's trauma ward in evenings and attending trade school and moral rehabilitation therapy during day.