Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:59
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
Lloyd clearly hates Megan Rapinoe and doesn't believe that using soccer as a platform to promote one's activism is appropriate. For her part, Rapinoe would admit that she views her role as an activist as more important than anything she does on the pitch. Maybe it did show in training and during matches. On the other hand, hating the team culture and not respecting your teammates, as Carli apparently did, doesn't exactly propel a team to success.
I do admire Lloyd's commitment to winning and the accompanying hatred of losing. We saw during the last WC that she wasn't satisfied with being just good enough, so it's not surprising that she would clash with her teammates.
On the other hand, criticizing players for signing autographs with fans doesn't seem like good form. Plenty of top players who are 100% committed to winning still manage to take time to interact with fans after losing matches. Lloyd has a narrow view of what being a winner is, and it seems to include a singular focus on winning to the exclusion of all else.
Pinoe was even giggling in post match interviews; no fans involved. It was kinda weird, but maybe she is just supremely optimistic.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:55
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Japan vs Spain. What a good game. Japan is looking great!
Well Spain sure missed their starting goalkeeper, centre-back and holding midfielder who were left at home. Good move coach not bringing your best players.
Yep all the goals were generated in the center of the field ie center back involvement or lack there of.
Center of the field? Alright Peter Gammons, because Japan was counter attacking, they gameplanned to let spain pass sideways and down the channels looking for space, which opened them up and pulled their back-line further up field. No one player, no matter where they are on the field is going to stop that. Japan historically is better than Spain, so no surprises here other than how many goals they got and holding Spain scoreless, that's impressive!
You really do not know what you are talking about. Japan is not historically better vs Spain. Japan is a hard core possession team. Spain plays a modern version of total football. Spain can and will break down teams with passing, the long ball or off the dribble. Only idiot think being able to possess the ball means you never attack.
Did you watch the game! The first two goals were the central defense break down. The central defender, goalie and midfield players Spain left at home are world class players. Those two field players are much faster vs what Spain had on the field. Japan would not have been able to run by them. Plus they play for the same club. That would mean no defensive break downs. Those player would have been a huge up grade both technically, soccer iq and athletically.
So tell me how you think the US would do leaving Lavelle and Horan at home? Oh wait you said no player makes a difference!
Japan is historically a better program, they've made two finals and won one. Spain not so much, never mentioned anything about H2H, I have no idea what that looks like. Japan was way better yesterday so not sure what your point is, other than be just wrong about if Japan is better than Spain.
The PP you responded to said Japan was a “hardcore possession team”, but they threw that out the window and attacked relentlessly and let Spain have most of the possession. So fun to watch japan’s elite finishing skills.
+1 I'm a DP who was blown away by how Japan came in with a game plan for Spain and executed it flawlessly. They were organized and disciplined on defense, electric on the counter-attack, and clinical in finishing. They looked energetic and fit.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:46
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
Lloyd clearly hates Megan Rapinoe and doesn't believe that using soccer as a platform to promote one's activism is appropriate. For her part, Rapinoe would admit that she views her role as an activist as more important than anything she does on the pitch. Maybe it did show in training and during matches. On the other hand, hating the team culture and not respecting your teammates, as Carli apparently did, doesn't exactly propel a team to success.
I do admire Lloyd's commitment to winning and the accompanying hatred of losing. We saw during the last WC that she wasn't satisfied with being just good enough, so it's not surprising that she would clash with her teammates.
On the other hand, criticizing players for signing autographs with fans doesn't seem like good form. Plenty of top players who are 100% committed to winning still manage to take time to interact with fans after losing matches. Lloyd has a narrow view of what being a winner is, and it seems to include a singular focus on winning to the exclusion of all else.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:46
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
I mean kids developed overseas are taking many, many spots on men’s college teams. I imagine that will increase too with the women’s side. It baffles me that parents and US Soccer are so content with this status quo of pay to play and mediocrity at all levels.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:42
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Japan vs Spain. What a good game. Japan is looking great!
Well Spain sure missed their starting goalkeeper, centre-back and holding midfielder who were left at home. Good move coach not bringing your best players.
Yep all the goals were generated in the center of the field ie center back involvement or lack there of.
Center of the field? Alright Peter Gammons, because Japan was counter attacking, they gameplanned to let spain pass sideways and down the channels looking for space, which opened them up and pulled their back-line further up field. No one player, no matter where they are on the field is going to stop that. Japan historically is better than Spain, so no surprises here other than how many goals they got and holding Spain scoreless, that's impressive!
You really do not know what you are talking about. Japan is not historically better vs Spain. Japan is a hard core possession team. Spain plays a modern version of total football. Spain can and will break down teams with passing, the long ball or off the dribble. Only idiot think being able to possess the ball means you never attack.
Did you watch the game! The first two goals were the central defense break down. The central defender, goalie and midfield players Spain left at home are world class players. Those two field players are much faster vs what Spain had on the field. Japan would not have been able to run by them. Plus they play for the same club. That would mean no defensive break downs. Those player would have been a huge up grade both technically, soccer iq and athletically.
So tell me how you think the US would do leaving Lavelle and Horan at home? Oh wait you said no player makes a difference!
Japan is historically a better program, they've made two finals and won one. Spain not so much, never mentioned anything about H2H, I have no idea what that looks like. Japan was way better yesterday so not sure what your point is, other than be just wrong about if Japan is better than Spain.
The PP you responded to said Japan was a “hardcore possession team”, but they threw that out the window and attacked relentlessly and let Spain have most of the possession. So fun to watch japan’s elite finishing skills.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:36
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
No amount of “winning culture and mentality” can overcome poor development. “Winning culture and mentality” was easy when the rest of the world was still catching up.
Not anymore, the rest of the world has caught up and USWNT will eventually be on par with the USMNT if development does not change. Sure, lots of college scholarships but mediocre on the international stage.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 11:22
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Food for thought as you ponder the reason for the performance.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
Lloyd called the goal post the player of the match.
Lloyd detailed how much she “hated” playing on the team, particularly due to what she described as a poor locker room culture.
Carli Lloyd blasts USWNT atmosphere: 'The culture within the team was the worst I've ever seen it'
"The winning culture and mentality that has carried on from generation to generation within the USWNT has been fizzling away," Lloyd wrote on Twitter.
"I said it when I retired. I saw it slipping away. Players have to embody that. That's been our DNA since the 80s, but not so much anymore."
earlier this year she lamented a cultural change in the team in recent years, saying some players were more focused on building their brands than winning.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:42
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
What does size have to do with anything?
Every country can do more with a lot less.
The Dutch and Portuguese can put together a better team from a pool the size of New Jersey.
But again - the issue is not talent.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:38
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
I disagree, everything wrong with USWMNT and USMNT has everything to do with youth soccer.
A previous post mentioned that the technical players can really only play well with other technical players. Perhaps this is why the lack of quality skills and passing is jarring. As another poster said, some of the younger teams are playing well technically. And I do see some of this in the DC area for youth teams. So perhaps they had been a change in development and the younger players are more technical. I think the coach should have put on the younger players early on and sub those who really are lacking technical skills (eg Morgan).
As to the USMNT, most of the best players have been trained outside of the US and that explains a lot as to the quality of youth development for the boys side.
Even if some had spend time in the US in the early years, those boys likely relied on their parents or private coaches to guide their development and were just in clubs to play in games.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:35
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
Didn't make OP but I agree youth soccer is the problem, specfically pay to play soccer with ECNL/GA. You're arguing numbers, I'm questioning mentality. US should be amazing at everything because of our size and financial investment into sports. Pay to play creates individualistic selfish players, who don't utilize their teammates, don't make selfless runs to open up channels for others, don't press as a team, and are only concerned with that Div. 1 soccer opportunity that paying to play in ECNL/GA affords them. This system works for 90% of families, so its not changing. That 10% are disgruntled delusional parents who think their kid is better than they are, and the truly elite players who may be happy in the moment, but realize their soccer education ended after U-18 soccer when they go to college because they trusted their soccer education to US soccer moving forward, which has continually demonstrated that it cant be trusted to navigate any of this correctly
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:27
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
What does size have to do with anything?
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:25
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Many reasons for the poor performance. None of which has to do with youth soccer.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
Florida is about 1.5 times bigger than Portugal.
The Netherlands is larger than the state of Maryland, but smaller than West Virginia.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:21
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That was disappointing. They really can’t make passes, create plays, win 1 v 1. I really hope this is a wake up call for youth soccer development in general. What uninspiring play.
Why would it be? Do you expect clubs to care when even top clubs may send a player to the USWNT once a generation? Should BSC alter the way it approaches everything on the off chance that one day a girl destined for the national team will so up for u9 tryouts?
BSC's younger teams 10's and 11's play more attractive and possession soccer better than this current USWNT lineup. We know these women can play on the national team, so for me this is 100% coaching, tactics are trash, and fitness is lacking - WTF its not even hot, they look out of shape and many have now played 3 games in a short window so its only going to look worse; and maybe some locker room culture stuff too with the old vs next gen players. Watch how they all interact off the field, this happens on every team, but when there is so much pressure to win I think cliques become more defineed and detrimental to team spirit
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:13
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Portugal will be an easy game for the US. So they will advance. It will be goal differential to determine who wins the group but it really does not matter neither Sweden or Italy are powerhouses.
I would not start Lavelle and watch the minutes on Rodman and Smith. Get a goal or two up and pull them out. More important to rest key players for the knock out round.
Tactical Dad over here, you giving Vlatko these notes bro? LMAO! And Sweden is very much a strong nation, wouldn't say powerhouse, but has very strong record against the US, your ignorance is astounding.
Anonymous
08/01/2023 10:09
Subject: Women’s World Cup
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Japan vs Spain. What a good game. Japan is looking great!
Well Spain sure missed their starting goalkeeper, centre-back and holding midfielder who were left at home. Good move coach not bringing your best players.
Yep all the goals were generated in the center of the field ie center back involvement or lack there of.
Center of the field? Alright Peter Gammons, because Japan was counter attacking, they gameplanned to let spain pass sideways and down the channels looking for space, which opened them up and pulled their back-line further up field. No one player, no matter where they are on the field is going to stop that. Japan historically is better than Spain, so no surprises here other than how many goals they got and holding Spain scoreless, that's impressive!
You really do not know what you are talking about. Japan is not historically better vs Spain. Japan is a hard core possession team. Spain plays a modern version of total football. Spain can and will break down teams with passing, the long ball or off the dribble. Only idiot think being able to possess the ball means you never attack.
Did you watch the game! The first two goals were the central defense break down. The central defender, goalie and midfield players Spain left at home are world class players. Those two field players are much faster vs what Spain had on the field. Japan would not have been able to run by them. Plus they play for the same club. That would mean no defensive break downs. Those player would have been a huge up grade both technically, soccer iq and athletically.
So tell me how you think the US would do leaving Lavelle and Horan at home? Oh wait you said no player makes a difference!
Japan is historically a better program, they've made two finals and won one. Spain not so much, never mentioned anything about H2H, I have no idea what that looks like. Japan was way better yesterday so not sure what your point is, other than be just wrong about if Japan is better than Spain.